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Reply #60 –
Looked it up, electrons flow neg to pos, but the symbol shows charge flow which is opposite. My first diode diagram was right and I will now repost it.  I also included the proposed current limiting resistor.
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Reply #61 –
yep, u r rite,,,
google "hole flow" vs "electron flow" then tell me why im so retarted  : )

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Reply #62 –
Jay it is my belief that the point of the arrow is the way the positive voltage passes through.

The marked side is the CATHODE and that is the plus side . The back side of the arrow is the anode.  Positive flows from the ANODE TO THE CATHODE. If memory serves me.
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Reply #63 –
Quote from: TOM Renzo;407012
Jay it is my belief that the point of the arrow is the way the positive voltage passes through.

The marked side is the CATHODE and that is the plus side . The back side of the arrow is the anode.  Positive flows from the ANODE TO THE CATHODE. If memory serves me.

tom, i totally brain farted and why??? because my dumb ass is ***always** so use to installing blocking diodes on the ground side of circuits and when you do that ,, then the diode needs flipped around. 
on the hot side,, power flows "with" the arrow "anode".
on the ground side current goes "against the arrow "anode".
couple this with all my education and training (especially military) and it didnt help any that my college teachers were all C school instructors, they all taught "hole flow, negative to positive, its no wonder i can tie my shoes. 

ok ,, next post is the results of todays experiement,, coming next.

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Reply #64 –
I have a few things i want to update this thread with so pay attention.
Pls scroll down to see my "trinom diode" setup.

OK, performed Trinom's diode setup first and i suspect it fails.
As described and diodes placed as drawn with my over current protection of 18/100th of an amp, when i turn my key forward, my headlamps come on.
Problem is i do not have auto lamps selected nor do i have manual lamps selected.!!!  that is not a pass unless we want lamps all the time.
they did shut off on thier own though,, so not really sure how i should process what is happening but it sounds wrong.
I removed the "trinom mod" and my auto lamp amplifier survived.  I integrated "thefoeyouknow" mod which means i did not have the red/yellow or brown wires connected to the main headlamp switch ,, and,,, i had a wire attached from the spot where the red/yellow's were bonded to the auto lamp relay as drawn.  No change there, i just did not add the brown wire jumper that he shows.
With the diodes arranged like trinom has, it appears there is a conflict,, did not investigate further,, just updates on this task for now.


next,, and here is the twist.........
curiosity got the better of me so i got all my experimental wiring out of the way and reflected back on something said a while back and performed the "thought" that was spoken.
I removed the double red yellow wires from the main headlamp switch leaving the double browns in place.
-i turned my key forward and the headlamps **DID NOT come on.!!!
-i selected auto lamps and they came on!! so i kept them on and turned the key off,, they shut off like normal.!!  i did not test the time delay but that concept seemed to work.
the down side is as soon as auto lamps "picked" the relays to energize, my instrument cluster lighting of all 100% items that are important (speedo, guages ect) were all not illuminated.

~~so it leads me to believe that i actually just relieved heat stress off the main headlamp switch by just removing the red/yellow pair from the main headlamp switch and i had a fully operatonal "autolamp system".!!!!!! see where im going.
so...... someone pls confirm and let see if we can "simply" remove the red yellows **BUT** re-integrate instrument cluster guage illumination,, No relay required ???  Could it really be this simple?

who knows yet but lets talk.

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Reply #65 –
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;406994
See, I always thought the arrow showed the direction of flow, and the line was like a wall blocking from the other way.

do yourself a favor,
put your test light probe on the positive battery post
gator clip the diode to the test light clip, touch the free end of the diode to the negative battery post , flip it either way and see how when diode or'ing or blocking,  its backwards when the diode is installed on the ground side vs when its on a power leg.  now flip your test light around with the diode on the pos and test light on the neg batt post.
i keep hosing this up but oh well,no one's perfect.

in reality to a series ckt ,, its not backwards though, its an illusion
if you keep thinking of it the way you are doing, you'll always be right,, thats what matters.  besides, people like me need constant baby sitting over thinking simple stuff like this,,lol.

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Reply #67 –
yes, by having the double red/yellows off the sw, that is what i did after i back out of the trinom diode layout and removing your jumper that was shown as going to k1 coil.

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Reply #68 –
None at all, or none of either? In any case, that power comes from fuse 4, check there. Trinom diode mod may have popped your autolamp relays/park lamp/ip lights fuse.

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Reply #69 –
when i backed out of the trinom diode layout and *put everything back as oem**, i removed the double red/yellows from the headlamp switch.
-i turned my key forward and the headlamps **DID NOT come on.!!!
-i selected auto lamps and they came on!! so i observed the headlamps on and turned the key off,, the lights shut off like normal.
**when i heard the auto lamps relays click during the above, my full illumination for the cluster went dark.
-if i turned off auto lamps by using the thumbwheel, the headlamps went off but the instrument cluster illumination and guages came back.
quick call 304 772 3411 so i can verbally explain
your quick drawing illustrates what i did "after i backed out" of the trinom diode layout.

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Reply #70 –
i think i mis-spoke so here is the state of wiring / relays / lights / illumination once again  ***WITHOUT ANY DIODES OR ANY WIRING MODIFICATIONS / ADDERS / RELAYS

-ign sw off
-remove red yellows from main light switch
-leave browns on main light switch.
-main light switch is off
-auto lamp thumbwheel is off

(AUTO LAMP OP CHECK) ign sw on
-instrumentation guages illuminate properly~pass
-headlamps do not come on~pass
-turn auto lamp thumbwheel to on =headlamps and markers come on~pass
-interior instrumentation illumination stays on~pass
-start car and i hear a relay toggle (headlamps flip off then back on after car starts) all interior and exterior illumination return to normal illumination.~acceptable
-turn off auto lamp thumbwheel and head / exterior lamps go off while interior illumination remains~pass
-turn on auto lamp thumbwheel and head / exterior lamps come back on ~pass
-turn ign sw off and all illumination stays on until the eventual auto lamp timer expiraton then all lamps go off.~pass


(MAIN LIGHT SWITCH OP CHECK) ign switch on
-interior lamps for cluster come on~pass
-turn on main light switch to marker middle pos and all marker lamps come on~pass
-turn on main light switch continuing on to headlamps=all head lamps do not come on~fail
-turn off main light switch and all exterior lamps go off as expected ~ pass

Conclusion~ if you want to relieve heat on the headlamp switch ***and you have "auto lamps", all you have to do is remove the red yellow pair from the main headlamp switch and protect the wire end.  You will now be operating headlamps using your auto lamp relays only.
The loss is that your headlamp switch will no longer provide "headlamps" when you manually move the main headlamp switch to the "headlamp" position.

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Reply #71 –
Foe and all,, im gonna lead up to something here ,,, so here is the question or thought.......
It appears to you and i that "if" auto lamps are off,, and you *Choose* to use the manual headlamp switch, then power travels from source, through the switch and out to the headlamps,,,?????  correct?(under normal conditions excluding any mods we discussed), And if so, then the auto lamp relays are not in the circuit during this situation,, correct?

while you are pondering the answer which i suspect will be something along the lines of ~yeah, duhh!
i will be doing your diode mod layout, i may back pedal and verify Trinoms works **without the second ground leg diode per our call today.

thanks!  ~scott

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Reply #72 –
I have not seen a butterfly or cricket fuse in years. That is classic Telephone systems Right Jay
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Reply #73 –
Yeah that's a GMT fuse

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Reply #74 –
These are 70g type