88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #75 – July 10, 2013, 11:08:35 AM thanks, i am in in that catagory Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #76 – July 10, 2013, 03:29:50 PM Quote from: Aerocoupe;418286If you are going to run the 19 lb/hr injectors then the stock MAF will work. The mass air meters are not calibrated to the injectors in stock applications. The EEC has tables in it for the size of injector that the car came with from the factory. The EEC also has a MAF transfer function in it that directly correlates to the mass air meter. this is why when folks stab bigger injectors in a car or a different stock MAF the car runs bad.With all that being said if you are going to run an A9P you need a stock MAF and 19 lb/hr injectors if you are not going to custom tune the EEC with a chip or a piggy back of some sort. You can run bigger injectors with an aftermarket mass air meter like a C&L or Pro-M. They work by modifying the signal from the mass air meter is being modified to work with the stock injector tables in the EEC. This works but a tune is always better.Pretty good thread here on what MAF's orther than the stock Mustang unit that will work with the A9P:http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?32890-Explorer-MAF&I would send thunderjet302 a PM and see if he is still comfortable with that list or start searching the internet to see what anyone else has used or knows works.DarrenDarren Yes those MAF meters work fine if you're sticking with the stock 19lb injectors. I think I have one or two still kicking around the garage. If you want them just let me know. I've also got a set of 19lb injectors that I ran on my Thunderbird before swapping to 24lb injectors.To make your Explorer swap simple:Pull EVERYTHING off of the engine besides the heads. Timing cover, water pump, oil filter adapter, oil pan, oil pump, pump pickup, exhaust manifolds, DIS cam sensor, cam shaft, and upper and lower intake. Save the intake for another use (your car perhaps) and sell the other stuff or s it. Now install your HO cam, the timing cover and water pump from a Fox car, the oil pump, pickup and oil pan from a fox car, the intake from your son's car and 19lb injectors. That's it your done. It's really that simple. If the Explorer engine is going to stay stock than SD will work fine. If you want to swap to MAF you can. It take a whole hour and you have to run 4 wires. It really is stupid easy. Hell I think I've even got some EEC-IV pins around from when I MAF converted mine. You can have some for free as I'm pretty sure I can mail them in a standard envelope. Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #77 – July 10, 2013, 06:57:35 PM my son called summit,he asked for a 97 explorer rebuild kit,,, summit had none.quick solution is to "ask" for an 88 tbird rebuild kit with 30over pistons.LOL, odd experinece,,, any comments?thunderjet, **THANK YOU***, a totally did not consider that the eec wire swap would involve us needing some female pins. Yes,, send over the qty you think in need or im sure i can figure something out to get mass air going.we plan roll out as speed density, then if time allots "TEMP" the mass air, check and verify it works, then make the mass air permanent.we plan to use his christmas present upper and lower painted all prudy bluei still have no idea why summit said they didnt have a rebuild kit for a 97explorer engine,, they said they carried up to 1995 only.../summit said they could piece mill the kit together for the same price as what is shown on a 88 bird but i have wonder what in the hell is the difference. Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #78 – July 10, 2013, 08:56:39 PM Basically all you are going to be using from the Explorer short block is the block, crank, and rods. These are the same as the Fox 5.0 Mustang components so I would shop the parts that way.http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fem-mhp174-311/overview/year/1993/make/ford/model/mustangThe trick is to call them and let them know what lower intake you will be running as the gaskets that come with the kit are for the stock lower. I believe the Explorer upper to lower is like a GT-40 and Cobra so those are dime a dozen gaskets and they should have no problem swapping those out for the stockers. Fel-Pro makes a nice lower intake to cylinder head gasket, 1250S3. The exhaust gaskets are gonna be garbage as well. See if they will upgrade them to some Fel-Pro 1415's. I would also suggest that you get the rubberized black pan gasket kit and the blue rubber valve cover gaskets with the steel core (reusable). Another good thing would be to upgrade the head gaskets to something like a 10112. I hate leaks so I spend money on good gaskets.Anyhow, just some suggestions.Darren Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #79 – July 10, 2013, 09:05:05 PM i was just having the gasket discussion with mason, is there any net gain in using copper head gaskets,, i will check in on the 10112 gaskets you mention.should have the engine here friday so i can tear it down and inspect bearings , thanks everyone. Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #80 – July 11, 2013, 07:21:38 PM I use the 10112 because its a bit thinner (0.039") and helps bump up the compression ratio and my motor is naturally aspirated. If I was going to add a power adder then I would run the 10111 (thickness is 0.041") as it has a steel inner ring which stands up to the abuse a little better. Both of these gaskets are a pre-flattened steel wire - steel core laminate gasket. Another option is the Fel-Pro 9333PT1 head gaskets and a lot of guys use them because they are cheaper and they do work. The reason I prefer the other two over this one is due to the fact it is a composition gasket is not a steel core gasket and the steel core gaskets are dimensionally more stable.FRPP makes a great gasket that is in some people's opinion that cat's meow when it comes to steel ringed steel core laminate gaskets. The part number is M-6051-A302 and they are sold in pairs and cost about the same as the Fel-Pro's. The con is I have not seen a local parts store carry them where they will carry the Fel-Pro's.Darren Darren Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #81 – July 12, 2013, 08:18:56 PM Here's a couple shots to give an idea on how I've got my oil cooler connected. It may be important to point out that the hose between the cooler and the pump (1st pic) DOESN'T leak. Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #82 – July 12, 2013, 11:21:54 PM I wouldn't use copper head gaskets as they will leak unless the block and head surface are perfect, at least from what I've heard. I'm running the Fel-Pro 1011-2 head gaskets with my Edelbrock heads. They are nice gaskets but are a bit pricey.You can run the Fel-Pro 9333PT-1 head gaskets that most parts stores have in stock, which are stock HO replacement gaskets. They are good head gaskets and many guys run them with boost. I would recommend a set of ARP head bolts. They are much better than the stock bolts and inexpensive insurance against leaks. Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #83 – July 13, 2013, 09:13:13 AM foe, that doesnt look unreasonable,, nice mod.now,, you said you "kept" the explorer oil adaptor which would show the oil filter right there near your lower hose,, i dont see a filter Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #84 – July 13, 2013, 10:05:59 AM It's almost directly under the power steering pump Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #85 – July 13, 2013, 11:15:27 AM I'm not sure I would use a steel ring gasket between the block and an aluminum head but since the OP is going to have cast iron GT40's then either would work. The 9333PT-1's are a good gasket but I just prefer the steel laminate core for the reason I posted earlier. I forgot that there is a FRRP kit that basically services the heads and lower intake and it comes with ARP head bolts (says they can be used three (3) times):http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=1763A little cheaper on Summit and they are in stock:http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6051-a50Darren Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #86 – July 14, 2013, 12:55:56 AM we are prob gonna buy parts mondayhow does this look....1- short block rebuild for 1988 tbird 302 w/ .030 over pistons with valve reliefs, std bearings, timing set ect2- Head gasket kit for a 97 ford explorer which will have to come with everything from the heads on up to include the better headgaskets mentioned.3- new fuel pump (need to find the source to something not china knock off)~!!!!!!!!!!4- gapless ring kit for the top compression ring5- roller rockers with needle bearings 1.7 pedatal (machine shop says crane has a good set for 200 or so dollars.,, id prefer steel roller rockers6- have heads bowled out, valve guides worked over with bronze inserts, milled .010 down, block checked and line bored, bore block to 306, oil galleys de-flashed and cleaned ect7- transmission front seal8- fluids everywhere9- new oil pump10-new water pump11- graft in modified lower radiator hose12-new radiator13-new fan clutch14- new hoses everywhere15- new serpentine16- new oem TFI and Stator (if like hell i can find any)17- *possible new AFPR but ive never done one on these cars yet, not sure what brand to trust18- fuel filter19- rear gear gasket and fluid (dospoogeent actual rear gear20- couple cans undercoat to add above fuel tank Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #88 – July 14, 2013, 01:05:33 AM foe!!!you sure as hell have resources! Quote Selected
88 sport rebuild , need advice Reply #89 – July 14, 2013, 01:09:09 AM Quote from: TOM Renzo;4185914- gapless ring kit for the top compression ringPersonally for what it is worth i would NOT DO THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why? its important i hear your side.machine shop guy saying its not a bad idea, the upper compression ring gapless kit is two rings,, one compression ever so slightly thinner then another somewhat of an oil ring is paired up with it. he said you just put the pair on 180 out and give .004'' per inch of cylinder bore, these end up closing up to a final gap of .003 or .004 after engine is hot,, basically it a very cheap and easy best bang for your buck to assure max compression with zero gap. Quote Selected
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