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WTF is your problem? You have a brain and think you can use it? Why oh why, would you do such a thing.  I think the fore fathers wrote all of those Broad and wide for a reason. That is so thing were way different than they had it. They are laying it out for us. They had been there and seen just how things can get when the those goverening you have all the rights and you have little to none. I look at the Bill of Rights and I think Yes these fore fathers were smart enough to think about me and all the rest of us. THANK YOU FORE FATHERS! Yeah that might mean that I see to guys walking hand in hand in public or even to chicks WOOOOOO!  But that same BILL OF RIGHTS covers them to. This country is about FREEDOM and your right to do it your way. Yeah I don't like to see to dudes together or people getting shot by a criminal but they have rights and so do we so every one needs to STFU and learn to get along and DEAL with it. Yeah  will happen people will get hurt and some may even die. But all those things will still happen with or without guns. IF you don't have a gun you'll get a knife or a sword, if you don't have one of those you'll get a rock or make a spear, and so on a so forth. SO the best bet is to LEARN TO GET ALONG! If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all! Yeah I remember mom always telling me that!

seriously?
in no way would a nuke ever be inturpreted as personal pertection. WOMD should not and certainly do not apply.

sure, why not?

religion and the bible, hypocracy etc. has nothing to do with the issue at all. the law governs us, my rights are directly affected by them, not religon or the bible. religion is not as concrete as the dospoogeents that were established for our country.

My point is this: ban the guns...see what happens. There will still be violent crime, just with a different weapon.

I feel pretty much the same way you do, Beau. I own hunting rifles, but I fail to see why anyone feels the need to own an automatic assault rifle.

Looking for a time-out are we? Dude, you need to step back from the keyboard and think before you type. My disagreeing with you does not mean I'm not using my brain. Your posting stupidity like that (personal insults) proves you're not using yours.

id would undoubtedly be worse. first off, its not going to be just the crinimal that keep them, theres many honest, responsible gun owners that wouldnt give them up.

just because you fail to see why someone may feel the need, or desire to own an automatic assault rifle doesnt mean that they shouldnt be able to.

thats like saying people shouldnt be able to keep old cars/hot rods because other people cant see a use for them. same thing goes for fast cars.
 
heck, that same scool of thought is like saying we shouldnt have cars that can even go past the speed limit, because its not leagal to.

I it could even be argued that handguns have a legitimate use (self defense - [COLOR="red"]a poor excuse[/COLOR], but an excuse nonetheless).

No, you've got that wrong. I see the purpose of assault rifles: Murder. They have zero other purpose. That is plenty reason to keep them out of peoples' hands. Assault weapons are designed to do one thing and one thing only: Kill people. Automatic assault weapons are designed to do the same, only more people in less time. They are designed, built, and sold for that reason and only that reason. They are not useful or practical, or even designed for deer hunting. They were never designed nor intended for self-defense (otherwise they'd be called "defense rifles", not "assault rifles". QUOTE]
 
again, granted they were designed for killing, doesnt mean thats what one has one for. there is collectability. people collect all kinds of weird shiznit. some people just love guns. how about those that have had weapons passed down to them from fathers or other family members etc. theres sentimental value. what about the pleasure of fireing one off at the range, there is sport in that, and hell its fun as well.
 
so tell me this, the puppies. rifle, bayonette and all that my father left to me that was given to him by his uncle who recovered it himself. it was designed for killing. in fact im quite sure it took many lives. should i not have such a weapon?
 
 

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[I would say if the state banned assault weapons (weapons built with the primary purpose of making people dead) and people refused to give them up they would be neither honest nor responsible. They would, in fact, be criminals. And if they so much as threatened to use said weapons in defence of their perceived right to own them, they would be dangerous, violent criminals. /QUOTE] i guess i took it a touch far, assuming an all out ban reguarding fire arms though i didnt state it. i think that would make many people crinimals in the eyes of an unreasonable government, and law.
 
a ban on all assault weapons would be the foot in the door on such a law. im one of the "paranoid ones" who think the government would love nothing more than to regulate and strip your rights down to nothing. they want to tell you what they think is right for you.
 
again, guns may be scarry and bad to some people, but they are what this country was founded on, hence the cival war. the government has no rite to render its public without defense from it.
 

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I for one have had it with the "you don't need it" argument. Some people simply like to take their guns down to the range and shoot them. My old man is one of them. He has a bunch of different pistols because he likes to shoot them. You don't need a 460, or twin turbos, or 30# boost, or a lot of other things in your 'Bird, but some of us here like to drive them. You don't need 400hp...but some of us like to have it! I've had it with people telling us, "you shouldn't have this because you don't need it." My dad doesn't need the twenty-odd pistols in the house, and guess what, as long as NO ONE HAS THE ARROGANCE TO BREAK INTO THE HOUSE then no one will ever see themselves facing the business end of one.

Sheesh! You'd think that in this group of all groups, we'd recognize that old Honda-driving-soccer-mom argument ("you don't need a V8...it burns too much gas!") Well, guess what, sweetie: I LIKE my V8, and my employer pays me enough that I can afford the gas.

My philosophy is pretty simple: we are adults, and as adults, we are sovereign from one another: you don't harm me, and I don't harm you, you don't tell me what to do and I don't tell you what to do, and that way we all get along. It's when a stranger tells me that I don't need something that I start looking for his "God" card...because the man in the sky must have died or something.

thanks. you said what i wanted much better than i managed to.

Im asking for real here, I mean if you guys up north do things differently or are allowed to protect yourself with some sort of legal weapon other than a gun then pipe up!!  Help!!  Im sure you guys have some sort of secret up there that aces a gun, thats obviously why your not for them.  Or.... is it worse and your not allowed to carry them,,?



Get your head around that one for a minute and stew on it.

I for one have had it with the "you don't need it" argument. Some people simply like to take their guns down to the range and shoot them. My old man is one of them. He has a bunch of different pistols because he likes to shoot them. You don't need a 460, or twin turbos, or 30# boost, or a lot of other things in your 'Bird, but some of us here like to drive them. You don't need 400hp...but some of us like to have it! I've had it with people telling us, "you shouldn't have this because you don't need it." My dad doesn't need the twenty-odd pistols in the house, and guess what, as long as NO ONE HAS THE ARROGANCE TO BREAK INTO THE HOUSE then no one will ever see themselves facing the business end of one.

Sheesh! You'd think that in this group of all groups, we'd recognize that old Honda-driving-soccer-mom argument ("you don't need a V8...it burns too much gas!") Well, guess what, sweetie: I LIKE my V8, and my employer pays me enough that I can afford the gas.

My philosophy is pretty simple: we are adults, and as adults, we are sovereign from one another: you don't harm me, and I don't harm you, you don't tell me what to do and I don't tell you what to do, and that way we all get along. It's when a stranger tells me that I don't need something that I start looking for his "God" card...because the man in the sky must have died or something.

again, granted they were designed for killing, doesnt mean thats what one has one for. there is collectability. people collect all kinds of weird shiznit. some people just love guns. how about those that have had weapons passed down to them from fathers or other family members etc. theres sentimental value. what about the pleasure of fireing one off at the range, there is sport in that, and hell its fun as well.

so tell me this, the puppies. rifle, bayonette and all that my father left to me that was given to him by his uncle who recovered it himself. it was designed for killing. in fact im quite sure it took many lives. should i not have such a weapon?

i guess i took it a touch far, assuming an all out ban reguarding fire arms though i didnt state it. i think that would make many people crinimals in the eyes of an unreasonable government, and law.
 
a ban on all assault weapons would be the foot in the door on such a law. im one of the "paranoid ones" who think the government would love nothing more than to regulate and strip your rights down to nothing. they want to tell you what they think is right for you.

again, guns may be scarry and bad to some people, but they are what this country was founded on, hence the cival war. the government has no rite to render its public without defense from it.

id would undoubtedly be worse. first off, its not going to be just the crinimal that keep them, theres many honest, responsible gun owners that wouldnt give them up. ...............i agree with this...i talked to my buddy who owns a gun store and he teaches gun and survival classes and he said we have nthing to worry about
and all of those who know me know i carry a gun every where i go ...so let someone tell me i can no lnger do that

And once again, the car comparisons are moot. Cars were designed to move people. Assault weapons were designed to kill them.

Let's just say I want to collect IED's (this is, of course, merely a sarcastic comparison. I do not collect, not do I have any desire to collect, IED's). Let's pretend I am just fascinated by the improvisation and intricate design of IED's. I search all over the internet for information on how to build them, and I build them. They are just sooooo cool.

Of course, if I'm going to build IED's I'm going to want to use them. Every week I take my latest IED's out to the desert and blow them up. It's great fun, and I can use info observed with each explosion to fine tune my IED's. I'm actually getting really good at it, too. My IED's are awesome.

Should this be legal because I've found a supposedly harmless use for a deadly weapon?

There are several differences between your WW2 rifle and an assault weapon. First off, your rifle is probably bolt action, just like a deer rifle. Second, it has a sentimental and historical value passed on through generations. Third, if push came to shove and the weapon was outlawed it could easily be rendered inoperable so that it could be used as a display/conversation piece. Not that it would be outlawed, mind you - an assault weapon ban wouldn't cover your old rifle any more than it would cover a .303 Brit. Fourth, I'm no expert on puppiesanese bayonette rifles, but I'd bet this is not a weapon that is easily concealed.

An all-out ban on firearms WOULD make many people criminals, myself included. I would not give up my deer rifle lightly. There is nothing to suggest that a ban on assault weapons would degrade to a ban on every gun. To suggest otherwise is nothing but Dale Gribble-esque anti-government paranoia. Most (if not all) countries with gun regulation allow hunting rifles and shotguns. I know this, as I live in one of those countries.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

explosives, neuks WOMD bombs etc are an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CLASS OF WEAPON.

Actually, when I read that, it looks like the people intended to own these rifles to defend the security of a free state are also those enrolled in that state's Militia. How many concealed weapon permits are issued to those in the Militia? How many people used those weapons to defend the state?
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