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Reply #120 – November 07, 2008, 10:22:47 PM

Define USSA!

(Edit: nevermind - I get it - bad joke myfriend, baaaaad joke!

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...and no, I don't feel bad about correcting propaganda that I'm sure those who would repeat it are not actually kidding (believe it or not).

Second edit: I've been posting on car forums since 2000. I have posted many thousands of posts and started many hundreds of threads. Not once (that I can recall) have I ever started a political thread. Don't start what you can't finish bro - there is a good reason that I don't start threads on political topics.

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Reply #121 – November 08, 2008, 12:10:16 AM

...oh, and don't try to make me feel bad for being pissed after the past 8 years. Perhaps if you had some redneck call you a "terrorist", "one of them" and "Osama Bin Laden" at the local bar due to the ridiculous fear that Bushco was drumming up in this country toward anybody who even remotely looks middle eastern, you might be a little ticked off too. I wanted to say "shut up you immigrant Irish " and kick his ass, but I bit my tongue. We have been in this country since 1700. My family name is that of a General who fought in the Revolutionary War. Why? Because he is my relative. The next mother****er that questions my patriotism may not be so lucky as that johnny-come-lately Irish immigrant that may have only been in this country for a 100 years or less. I'm tired of hateriotism and those who have promoted this (right-wing hate radio), so this is not a game for me.

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Reply #122 – November 08, 2008, 12:35:21 AM

Lighten up, Francis....

This has been a good read so far. Obviously lots of opinions and feelings. Emotions run high on both sides of the political "line-in-the-sand". At this point it doesn't matter who voted for whom. There will be a new POTUS in January. What happens after that, we shall see.

This has been an interesting read for sure

Reply #123 – November 08, 2008, 01:09:10 AM

Quote from: Prototype Services;242137

Lighten up, Francis....

Uh no. Cougar5.0 has been spot on through this, and he doesn't even live anywhere close to deepest darkest 'red' America. One side opened this can of worms, and now that they 'lost' the election we should all be civil?:rollin:

YouTube video:

If you're not pissed off about the last 8 years, you haven't been paying attention.

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Reply #124 – November 08, 2008, 01:49:48 AM

Seriously this has been the only worth while post in the whole thread.

Quote from: xjeffs;240848

They should abolish the party system. Partisinship screws up the whole system.

Everything else is making me sick from my brain spinning inside my skull.
First off, I'm tired of hearing the following:
Obama is a terrorist.
Obama is a muslim.
Obama is a arab.
Obama is a socialist.
Obama is gunna take my guns.
Obama has no experience. (who the hell does when the first start out in the oval office anyway, that's why they have 900 freakin' advisors... to "advise" them on what to do and how to do it)

Secondly who here can accurately define "socialist" or even "socialism". And please do this without the help of wikipedia. Websters or encyclopedia Britannica are acceptable sources. And while your at it, please give me an explicit detailed reason on exactly why socialism is so bad.

Now that being said, who can tell me what these types of things can be considered:

Welfare
Social Security
WIC (women infants children)
Section 8
The Wall Street/Mortgage bailout plan
Medicare
Medicaid
Disability
HUD Loans (fannie mae/freddie mac)
Public Schools
The New Deal (going back in the day, but think public works projects)
Fafsa (college loans/tuition payment)

I could go on but that should make the point.

Needless to say, we are not exactly a true democracy. I would even hazard to say that we never were. I'd like to think that we are more like Democratic Socialists. We are democratic in the light that we elect people that we feel would be best capable of making the best decisions for us, but that where it ends. I feel that in a true democracy nothing would ever be accomplished due to the fact that opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. And as a result of this no one would ever be able to agree on anything, and things would simply degrade into chaos.

Now that rant aside and for the sake of the person who complained about getting only one reason about voting for Obama, let me give you an explanation you may not yet have heard. In looking at the candidates I went with the person who was younger, the person who hadn't been in politics for so long that he had lobbyists shoved so far up his rear that maybe he could actually deliver on some of his promises. I also gauged which person who I felt had made the best choices through out his campaign despite making mistakes. Ultimately it could have gone either way with me, I actually was considering McCain when the primary's started, because honestly, Hillary scared me... that and the fact that she wasn't Bill, which many people thought she was.

Anyway I think what everything boils down to is that you are always voting for either a giant douche or a turd sandwich. If you didn't vote... don't complain period. If you did vote and your guy didn't win, wait 4 years and if the other guy sucked big vote him out. And, if your guy did win don't rub it in the face of the other party. And for all parties involved, support your president, at least on a human level, and always be critical of them.

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Reply #125 – November 08, 2008, 10:28:45 AM

Sorry for misspelling McCain name cougar50 this might be morning for you all but it’s the end of the day for me, up for 20 hrs w little sleep that’s my life and I have a friend McCann. Enough with that excuses and on I go my definition of socialism. Yes government dose need to assist somewhat but not to the extent to what he said. Socialism is a step towards communism. I’m not rich I’m a civil servant and my wife works. I consider ourselves middle class and I don’t want a piece from no one else’s pie. Obama actually stated the upper 6% of Americans make more than 97,000. People earn what they work for period. yea I know I missed some things.

Nirvanagod stated”
Obama is a terrorist. Yes this is a problem

Obama is a muslim. Not a problem neither is his color though you didnt ask

Obama is a arab. Did not no he was a arab

Obama is a socialist. Yes already stated

Obama is gunna take my guns. Yes he can try and take them from my cold dead
Hands

Obama has no experience. I can get over that

I didn’t Liston to his speech yesterday but I herd about the highlights it sound like he’s back peddling on his ideas now hopefully he starts shelving them.

good night

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Reply #126 – November 08, 2008, 10:49:35 AM

Quote from: nirvanagod;242145

please give me an explicit detailed reason on exactly why socialism is so bad.
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wow, ive always been curious how many out there think its good.
I can only use the characteristics of other social nations such as the former ussr and china just to point a couple.

basically, everyone is kept on the same level of income and or limits of opportunity no matter how hard you work. This is achived by gov't intervention on free will and capitalism which built our nation and fueled the very reason we decided to leave england.

the reason why people like me get upset is because we know that mental conditioning is always at work. The more you bring up a technique or policy type that is conflicting, the more it becomes acceptable to discuss and debate,,,and thus the more reasonable some sound as they argue said topics.
As a result, people like me feel some need inside us to nip it in the bud each and every time it gets brought up because we know our original values have not been tainted with this mental conditioning.

Mental conditioning has worked for many topics that have become policy , thank god for the riots in the 60's which gave many american folks thier opportunity to feel proud of being black. Notice i said "american folks" and not african american.

**also not that i said "thank god for the riots"<<<< formerly bashed by a few here who seem to think that rioters are worthless.

BO is the man now, I'll respect that and protect my president as always because it is a value that i must keep consistent. I will decide if i disagree when he starts to make policy. Until then, all the discussion is a mood point. I lost becaue Lou Dobbs didnt run,,lol,, but he got my vote.

Im not sure how to classify myself into a political group. I am pretty sure i am independant although i share more ground with the blue vs the red., both of which I could not fit into based on self examination of values.

Those like myself today are an odd group who listen to all forms of talk radio, cnn and fox, read the papers and never forget which policy was the root cause of todays problems. I would say those like myself are informed to say the least.
A true example of my being informed is the fact that much of our nations economic problems root back to nafta. IT all smelled like roses back then,
now......
It smells of HB1 visa's arriving at local plants or software companies where the US employees are mandated to train the HB1 visa holders to do thier job with a deadline of thier termination. This happened just last week with a major software / IT company in the north east. You guys up there need to speak up,,,,,,,cause us "REDNECKS REALLY DO GET IT" like it or not.

The impression i get is nafta / cafta or whatever is out of control.

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Reply #127 – November 08, 2008, 11:08:46 AM

Quote from: t3skidoo;242141

Uh no. Cougar5.0 has been spot on through this, and he doesn't even live anywhere close to deepest darkest 'red' America. One side opened this can of worms, and now that they 'lost' the election we should all be civil?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc5YSAc-7g

If you're not pissed off about the last 8 years, you haven't been paying attention.

Thank you. I bought that album in support and it's quite good even though I'm not generally a country music fan. We know the political leanings of the "lighten up" fellow and I am not surprised.

Oh, and the correct answer to those confused - Obama is a hardcore capitalist.

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Reply #128 – November 08, 2008, 11:10:11 AM

Why do so many people assume that other people wanting some Socialist policies are trying to switch from a Democratic Capitalist society to a Communist Socialist one? It doesn't have to be one or the other. Like Nirvanagod just pointed out, some of our best policies and programmes, in both countries, are the ones borrowed from Socialism.

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Reply #129 – November 08, 2008, 11:47:45 AM

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Why do so many people assume that other people wanting some Socialist policies are trying to switch from a Democratic Capitalist society to a Communist Socialist one?

Because that's how it generally starts if left unchecked....
Beware the cult of personality....

Anyway -- what's done is done.

Let Our President Elect do what he can in conjunction with the Senate, the House and the Supreme Court.

I hope good comes from the next 4 years.

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Reply #130 – November 08, 2008, 12:26:15 PM

Quote from: pegasus;241829

BLAHAHAHA

look at the past 16 years what makes you thing there going to start telling the truth your funny

honstly I dont think obma is going to live out a full term
b/c hes going to pull us out of Iraq and all of our work will have been for not and we will have a truck load of pissed off crazy marines coming back

When did i ever say that anyone was gonna tell the truth? We must have a McCain supporter here. Nobody in office is going to tell the whole truth I am far from a lap dog for any political party they are all full of bs. I voted for Obama because we have no reason to be in Iraq in the first place, so all those "Pissed marines" you speak of should be getting pulled here soon so they can quit fighting a war for oil, i am pretty sure they will be happy to see their family's again.

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Reply #131 – November 08, 2008, 12:29:11 PM

Quote from: oldraven;242173

Why do so many people assume that other people wanting some Socialist policies are trying to switch from a Democratic Capitalist society to a Communist Socialist one? It doesn't have to be one or the other. Like Nirvanagod just pointed out, some of our best policies and programmes, in both countries, are the ones borrowed from Socialism.

For the same reason that many on the left argued that we had to be on the watch for fascism with Bush ceding so much power to the corporations (how did that work out?). It's the balance between the two that works the best.

I'll lend you money if you're down and out, but you have to pay it back. Oh, and you must take this training course & follow these new rules so you don't make that mistake again. We're only as helpful as we need to be to keep the masses happy, and we're free-wheeling enough to allow the motivated (and the greedy) to be innovative (and the greedy to possibly steal the country's wealth).

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Reply #132 – November 08, 2008, 01:06:33 PM

Quote from: Innes;242167

Socialism is a step towards communism.

Yeah, not even going to try touching that

Quote from: Innes;242167

Nirvanagod stated”
Obama is a terrorist. Yes this is a problem

So give us substantiated proof. Whether it was aiding in or directly doing so himself. Provide valid sources if you'd like.

Quote from: Innes;242167

Obama is a muslim. Not a problem neither is his color though you didnt ask

Not a problem because it was false speculation. Also our country proved that race was not an issue, hence the lack of need to bring it up.

Quote from: Innes;242167

Obama is a arab. Did not no he was a arab

Perhaps no one here did, but how about that little old lady at one of McCain's rallies. A moment that I feel that made McCain realize that he had created a monster that had gotten completely out of hand.

Quote from: Innes;242167

Obama is a socialist. Yes already stated

Again, not even touching it, Seeing as my "Tired of hearing" prefix seems to not have come across.

Quote from: Innes;242167

Obama is gunna take my guns. Yes he can try and take them from my cold dead Hands

An amendment provided by some of our founding fathers that will likely never be changed, ever. Though it is funny to see how threats beget threats.

Quote from: Innes;242167

Obama has no experience. I can get over that

So one agreement out of many.

Quote from: oldraven;242173

Why do so many people assume that other people wanting some Socialist policies are trying to switch from a Democratic Capitalist society to a Communist Socialist one? It doesn't have to be one or the other. Like Nirvanagod just pointed out, some of our best policies and programmes, in both countries, are the ones borrowed from Socialism.

Quote from: V8Demon;242177

Because that's how it generally starts if left unchecked....

This is effectively my point. Socialism can go both ways, it's all about intent of use. Much like every thought and idea present in today's world, it's the end game that matters. Want to make a positive change in the world, then the outcome will more than likely be positive. Want to do something negative or gain excessive power then the outcome is negative. I truly feel that our nation runs on more than just a democracy. We have done very well in finding positive ideas across all political styles and integrating them into our overall system. Yes there are negatives, and those need to be worked out or removed. But I think that to believe that we are simply a democracy defeats an idea of what this country founded on, to be a "melting pot".

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Reply #133 – November 08, 2008, 01:27:30 PM

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An amendment provided by some of our founding fathers that will likely never be changed, ever. Though it is funny to see how threats beget threats.

and it recently was in front of congeress for "interpretation" , and was barely defended/ motion defeated. thats scarry to me but maybe were all just parranoid right?

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Reply #134 – November 08, 2008, 01:56:19 PM

On the guns; a poll was done on one of the most Democratic sites on the internet and fully 60% of all liberal Dems now own guns. If you consider that many more Dems live in congested urban areas where you can't even enjoy target practice or hunting, that's a pretty stunning number. Not only that, but after Bush was elected the 2nd time, many started arming up as it felt like "Big Brother" was going to start pulling people out of their homes for internment camps at any moment. I learned more about which pistol was the best overall compromise (size, stoppping power, action, reliability etc.) from this site than anywhere else since the issue was discussed intelligently without all the fake bravado that plagues the more right-leaning discussions. You'd have just as much or more push-back from Dems if you tried to tighten gun laws - trust me on this.