Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #60 – July 31, 2007, 01:19:11 AM the intermittant spark usually points to either the module on the side of the distributor or the pickup/stator assembly down inside the distributor.both are locally purchased,,,,, but you get what you pay for.The little pickup device down in the distributor has a magnet on it and if debris is attached to it, your spark will be restricted just like if it were a set of points with burnt contact. attach a small magnet to a small screwdriver and probe down in there to collect any stuff (hairy looking stuff) that decides to stick to your screwdriver. If you cant get all of it,, use a bigger magnet. Dont stuff a magnet down in there cause you might damage the magnet on the pickup as far as its magnetic strength.If your spark was weak looking,,, over gap a spare plug to .060 there abouts and with the help of darkness, see if its nice and blue and makes a complete arch.either that or a coil going bad.now a few questions you have to clear up for us/me,,,,cause i have a good memory........:D did you do a mini starter conversion and if so, explain.do you have the little slip on red wire hooked up on the starter relay on body near the battery?on a side note,,,,,,,, and i dont suggest this but,,,,,,,,,,, if you were to happen to forget and not have the coil plug wire hooked up, and,, you cranked the car,, a good coil will jump a huge spark to the frame atleast 5'' away. This pretty much illiminates the distributor being a problem.dont overthink this stuff,got sparkgot fuelgot airwith all three,, an engine will run.,perhaps not good but will run. ive only had one experience where i had all three items and still the car did not start but it was a rare instance not even note worthy. Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #61 – July 31, 2007, 01:48:34 AM Quote from: jcassity;164801the intermittant spark usually points to now a few questions you have to clear up for us/me,,,,cause i have a good memory........:D did you do a mini starter conversion and if so, explain.Yes, First thing that everyone suspected was my starter... So went and hunted at the junkyard and brought home the only one i found that was left-Off a 93 XR7 3.8l (Also got the starter relay and starter cable setup from the same car and am using it).Quote from: jcassity;164801do you have the little slip on red wire hooked up on the starter relay on body near the battery?Yes. Quote from: jcassity;164801on a side note,,,,,,,, and i dont suggest this but,,,,,,,,,,, if you were to happen to forget and not have the coil plug wire hooked up, and,, you cranked the car,, a good coil will jump a huge spark to the frame atleast 5'' away. This pretty much illiminates the distributor being a problem.Hehe... I might forget about that soon...Success! Kind of...Waiting forever for a reply of where to hook up the negative battery to the factory position on the engine block... I just went ahead and found a spot and tryed it.She's starting, But... She doesnt stay running.And when i step on the gas i hear a big WOOSH!, And she dies...?Then i have to spray in some starter fluid to get her to start up again (Pretty sure my spark is weak).What's going on now? Gaskets? Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #62 – July 31, 2007, 01:52:41 AM New coil, and your timing is off. IIRC Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #63 – July 31, 2007, 02:02:07 AM ok,,now its time to pull open that DIY Link of mine below and pick a subject,scroll down and read up on it.DONT UNPLUG THE SPROUT CONNECTOR WITH THE ENGINE RUNNING OR REPLUG IT IN WITH THE ENGINE RUNNING> Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #64 – July 31, 2007, 02:08:45 AM Quote from: 84 Fila;164812New coil, and your timing is off. IIRCOh joy...Well the coil should be an easy replace, But i've never dealt with timing...Quote from: jcassity;164814ok,,now its time to pull open that DIY Link of mine below and pick a subject,scroll down and read up on it.DONT UNPLUG THE SPROUT CONNECTOR WITH THE ENGINE RUNNING OR REPLUG IT IN WITH THE ENGINE RUNNING>Any suggestions at which to start with?The woosh is freaky... Instead of revving it just goes WOOOOSH and dies, Like it's deflating, heh. Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #65 – July 31, 2007, 02:11:07 AM Well, mine used to do that. Mine used to do exactly what yours did. I adjusted the timing, got that all squared away. Then I put new plugs, coil, and wires. It quit after that. But to me.. sounds like spark/timing issues. I'd listen to Scott, he helped ME to learn all this Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #66 – July 31, 2007, 02:18:15 AM if you havent messed with the timing,, dont mess with it now. You always have a chance to finagle with it later on and learn what it does and such.have you moved the timing?if you have,, take a look at other peoples engines and eyeball which direction the TFI module is pointing , position yours like theirs.generally, the tfi usually points directly towards the drivers headlamp,, that will get you in the ball park. Have it fine tuned ((PROPERLY)) afterwards. Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #67 – July 31, 2007, 02:24:53 AM As far as i know i haven't done anything to the timing, Or that would have changed the timing.I did manually crank the crankshaft due to earlier suggestions though, Would that have done anything do the timing?And i was just out there trying it again,It needs just a tiny bit of starting fluid for a full start, Then after running for maybe 2 seconds i hear the woosh from the carb/passenger area and it dies. Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #68 – July 31, 2007, 02:29:00 AM I duno right now. It sounds like for the 2 sec's it's running directly off the starting luid. After thats gone it stalls out again. Scott, you got any idea's? Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #69 – July 31, 2007, 02:35:56 AM i know that motor inside and out,, as well as the cfi setup and the lower spacer ,,,,,,,,as well as the tricks that ****er pulls on you if the base plate gasket is hosed.anyways,,,,,,read up on the diy link below and hunt down the section on cleaning the CFI base as well. your going to need to do that none the less since it is the 232 engine.now here we go with ideas,,,,,,,,it woshes,, so its time to verify spark. again,,,,,,,if its not a strong nice blue to bluish white spark,, its time to look at that part of whats going on. If you undo the little plastic cap on the fuel test area (shrader valve) after you just get done cranking,, poke the little needle in there and fuel should spray every fu%$ing where if you are getting fuel. If it dribbles out and you just got done cranking,, somethings up with fuel.also,,,,,,, you did not undo and criss cross any plug wires did you? Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #70 – July 31, 2007, 02:40:04 AM Ok, I'll get on it.And i have not changed the plugs on the passenger side yet... Still the same ones i got the car with.Oughta be fun checking spark by myself, Everyone is sleeping around here, heh.I do suspect the gasket at the carb/cfi base is broken or leaking. Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #71 – July 31, 2007, 02:50:10 AM Quote from: Romeo2k;164834Ok, I'll get on it.And i have not changed the plugs on the passenger side yet... Still the same ones i got the car with.Oughta be fun checking spark by myself, Everyone is sleeping around here, heh.I do suspect the gasket at the carb/cfi base is broken or leaking.you can make the thin one (base plate spacer to intake) by hand using any old material from a cereal box to a note book back. the lower one is kina tricky. just take your time adn you will have a perfect one.I only recommend one thing,,,,, lay the spacer atop a belt sander and sand it down flat cause im sure like everyone elses , its slightly warped. get er flat again on the side that faces the intake, make a gasket (its a pretty tricky one so an exacto or razor knife is applicable) and install with a thin layer of blue silicone.there will be a ton of carbon buildup on the bottom of the spacer plate near the egr,, clean that up.there will be a ton of carbon buildup near the gold fitting on the rear driver side vac line fitting on the bottom of the CFI. clean that up as well.Your next best bet if it does not start is to swap out the TFI,, if your spark still does not improve,, the pick up module is bad. Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #72 – July 31, 2007, 02:58:48 AM FWIW, I have a 3.8 CFI setup ( CFI unit, spacers, injecters) and a 3.8 dizzy with what I belive is a good pickup if you need one Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #73 – July 31, 2007, 03:04:45 AM the pickup is tricky,, it works off magnetic lines of flux as the whatchamacallit thingamajig with the six fins pass thru the field. the TFI plugs into the bottom of it so its one or the other and sometimes both. Quote Selected
Running!!! - With Qwuirks... Reply #74 – July 31, 2007, 03:07:44 AM Schucks has/Can order both for under $10. :hick:I did the coil spark test and here's the video: near had to be touching the frame to spark...*Spark starts moving to the bottom of the screen, Bad filming. :hick: And heres a py starting vid:Fila's right, It only stays running off the starting fluid... I put in a tiny lil' squirt this run.*If you turn it up loud enough you can here it go woooshh Quote Selected
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