Global warming?

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Global warming?

Reply #15 – February 05, 2007, 08:22:47 AM

Let's not be so hard on ourselves. We dont produce the tinyest fraction of the polution that emerging industrial nations such as China do... or South American counties which have no emissions standards what-so-ever on cars.

The US and Canada are probably the cleanest, least polluting most regulated counties in the world. I'm sick of people bashing North America over this stuff with nary a mention of Russia, China, South America, Mexico and other various turd world developing shiznit holes.

End of rant...

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Reply #16 – February 05, 2007, 09:05:16 AM

Quote from: Autocat;127641

im tired of hearing about global warming... melting the ice caps and such. you know what was caused by the last time the earth went through global warming? ICE AGE.

Agreed, the Earth has been warming since the ice age. Hence global warming, so it is real, but blaming human activity is rediculous... it's the aliens fault.:hick:

I think it's just the natural cycle of the Earth. We don't have enough recorded history to verify it so everyone thinks all of the sudden in the past hundred years or so, we are rapidly changing the Earth's climate. Do we have some affect and control on it, maybe, but extremely limited.

Remember the people that would be horrified when there was an eclipse and thought they were being punished? I can't remember which group and from what time period. Basically, they didn't know any better at the time so they were very afraid. Hmm, sounds like the global warming issue to me. Nobody knows anything about it so they all get scared and boom, industry and human activity is to blame.

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Reply #17 – February 05, 2007, 09:16:05 AM

By 'we', I mean humanity, not just Canada and the US.

5.0willgo, you're giving modern science far less credit than it deserves. We do know quite a lot about climate trends from the past few thousand years (and beyond), not just the last century. There HAS been a dramatic climate change since the Industrial Revolution. We can stick our fingers in our ears and sing all we want, but it won't stop global warming. Most people on this board have seen the winters get milder and milder, since their childhood.

I see your Eclipse buttstuffogy and raise you a Halifax Explosion buttstuffogy.

"It's gonna BLOW!"

"Nah, it's just a boat on fire."

*KABLOOEY*

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Reply #18 – February 05, 2007, 09:34:53 AM

I'm not doubting modern science. From what I've learned throughout college, modern science says the Earth has been warming for a very long time and it has a cycle that we don't know too much about.
I believe that.

Now I'm not necessarily sticking my fingers in my ears either. I haven't been around that long, almost 22 years but I really don't see too much difference in this winter compared to winters past. It started out pretty much the same. Granted it was much warmer this past December than last December, but this January has been the coldest I've felt in a long time. Plus we had on and off snow showers for over 2 weeks which is more than we've had in a long while.

Saying that, shouldn't it also apply to summer months? I can't see "global warming" only affecting winter months. Summers have been mild lately, not nearly as hot as they've been in the past.

Of course, I can only really speak for the area where I live, so things could surely be different elsewhere. Maybe that blinds me of the issue?

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Reply #19 – February 05, 2007, 09:53:05 AM

About the whole greenhouse gases thing...I always have to wonder how it is that scientists can talk about how when a volcano erupts, it sends more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than humans have in their entire existence...and then they turn around and say that the use of fossil fuels by humans is directly to blame for global warming. WTF?

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Reply #20 – February 05, 2007, 12:08:30 PM

W00t i f(*%ing hate Toledo, too cold.

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Reply #21 – February 05, 2007, 02:32:07 PM

Quote from: Dogcharmer;127691

Let's not be so hard on ourselves. We dont produce the tinyest fraction of the polution that emerging industrial nations such as China do... or South American counties which have no emissions standards what-so-ever on cars.

The US and Canada are probably the cleanest, least polluting most regulated counties in the world. I'm sick of people bashing North America over this stuff with nary a mention of Russia, China, South America, Mexico and other various turd world developing shiznit holes.

End of rant...

i wouldnt mind as much the whole "GLOBAL warming" prevention movement if indeed is was GLOBAL. thats not fair to expect us to do all the work to remove our part of the emissions when so many other nations dont do THEIR part.

heres a great example--i read that in india or something they STILL manufacture R-12 for crying out loud!!! and the units arent well built so they leak it into the atmosphere!

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Reply #22 – February 05, 2007, 07:35:45 PM

I'm almost positive you can still get R12 here. You do have to pay out the ass in taxes on it, but you can still get it.

Kinda like you can own fully automatic rifles, silencers..etc Just have to pay a whole lot (in taxes) for them.

I'll try to find some more on this.

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Reply #23 – February 05, 2007, 08:59:42 PM

Quote from: turbo88;127688

wrong...

No explanation? Yeah, thought so.

I guess it must be that the sun is getting too hot and heating our planet too much. I could give a shiznit about this anyway. I pray for nuclear holocaust every minute.

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Reply #24 – February 05, 2007, 09:00:40 PM

i've been around almost 22 years, and all i remember of the weather that wasnt very common were a couple blizards in georgia (we're licky to get 1 night of flurries that stick, there were 2 blizzards where we got 2 or 3 feet of slow.) but other than that, nothing sticks out in my mind. my dad who's almost 55 says he thinks its all dumb that people that are my age or a bit older in thier late 80's try to say b/c of a warm day in janurary jesus is coming to town soon are retarded. he remembers winters when he was younger that wasnt cold except 1 day out of the year, and he remembers the blizzards. if this was such a huge scale thing wouldnt you think meteorolgists would get on tv and really try to drill the message into everyone's heads if it truely was so bad? i'd think the whole nation would go to emmission standards like california... i mean hell i can run my car without cats and delete all smog off the engine and still get a tag and registration b/c in the county of ga where its registered there is no emmission testing what so ever.

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Reply #25 – February 05, 2007, 09:54:13 PM

As I child I remember 10 foot piles of snow after plowing the lot at the farm. We used to dig tunnels inside of them.. havn't done that since I was 6.

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Reply #26 – February 06, 2007, 01:11:59 AM

what i think,,,,,

something is going on and from what ive read up on and absorbed like you guys have from various points of view, is the "feed back effect".

I agree with this process but im not sure i know the source. What i can go buy are military data from naviagation charts for submarines during the cold war to avoid hitting ice burgs which dont exist today, satalite images, photos of over a hundred years, HI and LOW temps with records also going back just as far and see a major change happening within the past 100 years. These temps reported have various spikes and they confuse me but its really wierd the amount of spikes in the last 20.

I have ran across so many "mentions" of how much the polar ice caps are melting with as much as 8% a year.

Conclusion,,
if the polar ice caps melted,,refroze,,melted,,refroze as a natural cycle, this is the 8% we are dealing with or 92% its original size during this natural heating and cooling effect during the winter and summer seasons. We are all smart folks here and if you look at 8% of something degrading over time, this number is not linear, its a curve.,,,its exponential.

Its like what is 8% of 1000? (1000 being the ice caps size now hypthetical). The total is 80 witha remainder of 920.

Now what is 92% of 920?, its 846.
So on,, what is 92% of 846, its 778.

If you keep going and going,, you will never reach zero but the numbers decrease in a curve. If you take a step back, it would appear that by the math that the melting would not be that noticeable by now cause the amount of melting should be less and less each year just as you would never reach zero if you took 92%(size of ice caps) of a number forever.

I think what science is trying to say is "how much new sea was added" and if thats the case,, and they are right,,,,,,I have not really found a lot of data on "sea water added" as of yet but i think thats the increasing number globally we need to focus on,, not the ice caps. The methane trapped under the ice caps dont help matters either.

hold on to your pants,,,, If they are right, then england should have been under ICE completely 700-900 years ago. If that were the case,, we would definatly have record of it. Since there are no records indicating this,,, (england is on the same latitude as alaska but enjoys the warm water jetstream from the south to protect it) ,,,,,,,,,,

hold on to your pants again.........

with no record to support england being under ice 700 years ago gives you more reason to be curious as to why they are melting now!!!!
This is where my mind tends to go when hit up with an issue. Instead of listening to the problem and forcasted outcomes, i take all they have to offer in ideas but i reverse thier math to see what things looked like on earth in the past. No one that i know if is reversing their own math because there will be odd ball outcomes.

Folks,, they just started melting,, cut and dry. It may all just be natural, nevertheless, they are melting and whatever changes are in store will come.

Any takers?

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Reply #27 – February 06, 2007, 01:20:34 AM

All I know is that it's cold as hell in Chicago. It's so cold that my beard starts to freeze when I'm outside because of the moisture from my breath.

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Reply #28 – February 06, 2007, 02:20:38 AM

Quote from: Ifixyawata;127824

No explanation? Yeah, thought so.

I guess it must be that the sun is getting too hot and heating our planet too much. I could give a shiznit about this anyway. I pray for nuclear holocaust every minute.

global warming has merely nothing to do with us. Besides if North America disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't make the slightest difference in temperature nor pollution.

China is producing 500 plus coal burning generating plants over the next 12 months... you think anything we do here is going to make the difference for china and India? not likely...
The sun has been extremely active as of late, ice caps have been melting away on mars, i suppose all the green Martians with there SUV's are to blame?

I have a 64 page PDF with real scientists (climatologists and such) with real data to back up there claims against global warming and the Kyoto deal. I will email it to anyone if they are interested.

Anyone watch Al Gore's crazy movie? talk about an idiot, There are over 90 false facts that Al Gore preached in his little laugh of a movie to the public that were lies or misrepresented with bias graphs.

Anyways its a very interesting topic, don't be listening to the mainstream media there about as corrupt as the UN.

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Reply #29 – February 06, 2007, 02:33:43 AM

Awsome ,, ice caps melting on mars?

Now consider one thing now,, if we dont know exactly why the ice is melting here on earth,,, how in the hell do you think we could ever come close to numerically representing real data from another planet?,,, we've been on the earth a lot longer than space my friend.

just thought id reverse your math on ya,, not picking,, just presenting you with another fact so you can better judge your sources.

I mean it when i say awsome cause ive never been exposed to data like you mention ,, so my emial is,,,,,,,,
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