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Fast EFI and ram air......

Reply #45 –
Yeah, a 255 ought to be good for 400 horsepower. Lots of folks have 255'ers with solid 350 horse cars. Unless you're planning for a supercharger ASAP......hmmm.

Vinnie, you need a procharger setup. :D
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

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Reply #46 –
With an R series intake you can't have a functional ram air hood ��.

But yeah you shouldn't need that big of a fuel pump. I run a 155lph pump without issue. It's good till around 400hp at 39psi.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #47 –
No supercharger planned at all. Too much money and I don't race the car anymore.

The pump was part of a trade and brand new in the box. The 255 I have now is working but it's a no name brand, so, why not try it?

I have no idea what power the engine will make once it's all together. ANy ideas?

I'm hoping to take the car to the local dyno once the parts are all installed. The new Accufab throttle body is beautiful. I want to just keep it on the table by the couch.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #48 –
Dammit I'm late to the party with this comment. Oh well doing it anyway LOL. Vinnie I have two words for ya
 
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1987 20th Anniversary Cougar, 302 "5.0" GT-40 heads (F3ZE '93 Cobra) and TMoss Ported H.O. intake, H.O. camshaft
2.5" Duals, no cats, Flowmaster 40s, Richmond 3.73s w/ Trac-Lok, maxed out Baumann shift kit, 3000 RPM Dirty Dog non-lock TC
Aside from the Mustang crinkle headers, still looks like it's only 150 HP...
1988 Black XR7 Trick Flow top end, Tremec 3550
1988 Black XR7 Procharger P600B intercooled, Edelbrock Performer non-RPM heads, GT40 intake AOD, 13 PSI @5000 RPM. 93 octane

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Reply #49 –
I can't lie, the idea of a turbo or supercharger has crossed my mind many many times. But in reality, it'll probably never happen.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #50 –
The camshaft is the brain of the motor with the heads following and the displacement next.  Unless your induction system is not enough to feed the heads then the gains will be minimal or about zero.  I know you have an Ed Curtis camshaft so why not give him a shout and see what he thinks.  Ed has always been super cool with past customers asking questions.  You filled out a tech sheet when you got the cam so I would attached that to the email and if you know your part number on the cam include that in the body of the email as well.  His immediate response to me was additional cubic inches to better utilize his cam and that is what I ended up doing but you are not there...yet.  So now that we are talking cubic inches why not a stroker?  Requires little block modification (notching the skirts to clear the rod bolts) and balancing the rotating assembly.  Charlie down at Folk Automotive in Norman could do all of this for you (shameless plug as he does all my machine work).  Seriously, go out and look for stroker kits for sale by someone who bought one and then decided not to do it for one reason or another (usually sold the car).  I got my 331 kit (crank, rods, pistons, bearings, and rings) for $450 this way. 

I will say that using an aftermarket EEC and getting your car on a dyno will absolutely make more power than a chip and the old EEC processor.  The EEC electronics are a minimum of 25 years old and its like running a 486 processor and expecting a super computer.  I mulled this over several times and I think if I do not sell my Coupe this is the direction I will go.

https://www.diyautotune.com/product/megasquirtpnp-g2-eec4a8-for-86-93-ford-mustang-5-0/

I am by no means a tuner but there are several in the OKC area and one good one that I know of up here in the Tulsa area.  Is this a lot of coin to drop?  In short hell yes it is but I really think that my combo is struggling with the A9L and the SCT chip tune.

Whatever you choose to do I know you will research it to death and come up with a balanced plan.  If you contact Ed let us know what he says as I would be curious.

83 351W TKO'd T-Bird on the bottle


93 331 Mustang Coupe - 368 rwhp

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Reply #51 –
i am also doing this mod to our 331 but, the TC 2.3L scoop function & design need integrated.

I am going to simply use two spring loaded home made doors fixed to the TC openings.

I need to understand how i keep rain water from geting sucked in, i still cant understand how the TC design keeps water out of the TB.

What have you learned vinnie about this subject of water?

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Reply #52 –
The TC design was only to get air over the intercooler and not for induction.

I have contemplated covering the underside with sheet metal from the scoop entrance and use baffles to change direction and force water to drop out. Of course with drain tubes to clear the water. Just a random thought...it stopped there.

John

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Reply #54 –
i still dont get how any hood mounted air intake can keep water out of the trottle body..?

i looked at the link, the box they offer seems like a silencer device that came stock in our cars, which many of us have removed by now to reduce static losses of air flow.

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Reply #55 –
Quote from: jcassity;464875
i looked at the link, the box they offer seems like a silencer device that came stock in our cars, which many of us have removed by now to reduce static losses of air flow.

Nope. Sans that goofy scoop and hose the box in that kit flows more air than the stock airbox with the silencer removed, due to filter size. The conical filter that fits in the March box has a larger surface area than the panel filer in the stock airbox. Cut the snorkel off the end (like I did) and match the hole in the box to the fender opening and get even more air flow. Cougar 5.0 ran the same setup in the link with a Kenne Bell blower.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #56 –
Paul had this killer writeup about how the stock airbox made more power then a cold air intake and a cone k&n filter up to about 400hp or something like that.

A k&n or cone style filter usually lets in a ton more dirt as well. On a street driven car, I would just leave the stock airbox.

Engine masters also did a very interesting intake and air filter dyno test, although for carbed engines. The results were actually pretty surprising. The winner was a k&n filter with a bunch of the filter taped off in a salad bowl.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

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Reply #57 –
Quote from: Haystack;464878
Paul had this killer writeup about how the stock airbox made more power then a cold air intake and a cone k&n filter up to about 400hp or something like that.

A k&n or cone style filter usually lets in a ton more dirt as well. On a street driven car, I would just leave the stock airbox.

Engine masters also did a very interesting intake and air filter dyno test, although for carbed engines. The results were actually pretty surprising. The winner was a k&n filter with a bunch of the filter taped off in a salad bowl.

For filter setup it depends on where it draws air from/how big the tubing is. Is a stock airbox (pulling cool air from the fender well) going to make more power than an un-shielded underhood conical filter? Yeah. Is the stock airbox going to make more power than a cold air kit with a smaller than stock filter, more bends, and smaller than stock inlet pipe? Yeah.

Is the March box and a conical filter going to get you more power? Not unless your engine needs it. Got GT40 heads/intake? Run the stock airbox. Got aluminum heads and or more cubes? Run something better. The MAF I'm running is set up for a conical filter clamped to the end. The March box is a great way to get the filter under the hood and shielded from any engine bay heat. It pulls air from the fender well and the plumbing back to the throttle body only has one bend. Less bends = less restriction = more power.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.
 

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Reply #58 –
Quote from: jcassity;464859
i still cant understand how the TC design keeps water out of the TB.


On the TC's the air flow through the openings actually just flow through the intercooler so it never actually leads to the throttlebody......

Also on the engine management, this is a nice system also....

http://www.stinger-performance.com/universalparts.html
88 sport,TW heads, comp xe270hr, cobra u/Tmoss ported lower, 65 mm throttle body, under drives,smog delete,
1.7 roller rockers, cai, k&n, bbk adj regulator, 76mm Pro-m,all MSD ign. MSD dist,18° base timing, 3g alt.1 5/8 ceramic headers, 255lph walbro, 2.5" h-pipe, flowmasters, silverfox valvebody, 3.73 gear,
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc154/flipnbird/DSCF0185.jpg ( RIP : ( )

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Reply #59 –
Right now, the plan is to install the Trick Flow intake and related pieces as soon as time allows. I ordered a Walbro 255lph pump. I'll sell the Aeromotive pump at this point.

The new BBK CAI will go on at that time as well and I'll sell my current BBK CAI. I am sending Ed Curtis a message now about cams, and if these mods will upset the function of the current Ed Curtis cam. Stay tunes for a reply.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..