1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #45 – June 03, 2016, 09:40:28 PM Record the codes you are getting and throw it up here or on YouTube or something.https://youtu.be/9QSiS6wf7oU Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #46 – June 04, 2016, 03:46:13 AM Can I do a koer test if the spout is out? I checked it with the koeo and got 11 then 41 Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #47 – June 04, 2016, 09:07:30 AM The codes I got are 41 18 or 81 or maybe both Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #48 – June 04, 2016, 09:09:45 AM I think it was 18 since that one says to advance timing Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #49 – June 04, 2016, 03:10:16 PM 41 is always lean passenger, usually an o2 sensor , 18 is spout not connected.Now try to start the car with the spout plugged in. With it unplugged, you essentially disable the computer. Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #50 – June 04, 2016, 04:20:07 PM It won't start with the spout in Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #51 – June 04, 2016, 05:20:42 PM Quote from: bodyman;455578If it runs without the spout pull it, start it, check the base timing just to make sure it is set right.Agreed, AFAIK the ECM retards timing while cranking, if initial timing is retarded that could be your start issue... You need to get a light on it to find out where timing is set and stop just guessing... Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #52 – June 04, 2016, 06:26:02 PM Timing is set to 10 degrees still no start with the spout in. it does try Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #53 – June 04, 2016, 09:15:48 PM How well does it start with the spout out? When it tries to start with the spout in what is it doing? Does it sound like it is popping thru the intake or exhaust or any kick back on the starter? Not sure what direction to send you, but wouldn't hurt to confirm that when cylinder 1 is at TDC the balancer reads the same and that the valves are closed. Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #54 – June 04, 2016, 09:33:55 PM The car starts and runs great with the spout out. I drove it to work. There are a bunch of popping noises when the car is cooling off other than that idk everything's seems ok. I was only getting 2 volts at the spout if that means anything Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #55 – June 04, 2016, 10:04:19 PM The spout is a jumper, nothing else.If the computer runs great with the spout out, it will run 10 times better when you fix it. You are in limp mode. At best you get bad gas mileage and it doesn't run right, at worse you burn up the cat conv and have to spend a bunch of money.The spout essentially removes the ignition advancement features of the computer and forces limp mode. If it runs at all you are probably really close to fixing it. What codes pop up after you try cranking with the spout in? Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #56 – June 04, 2016, 11:06:52 PM Actually no sprout just means no timing advance, not limp mode... In limp mode timing is fixed, not advancing, along with a fixed injector pulse... Are rich at idle often to point of belching black smoke, lean under acceleration, run like ...Why this one runs OK without sprout is a mystery to me, BUT if it has only 10* advance it can't be that great...Verifying timing marks is a good suggestion... Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #57 – June 05, 2016, 12:45:53 AM When I try with the spout in cranking the only code I get is 41. How many volts should the spout have Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #58 – June 05, 2016, 12:50:07 AM Could it be a short circuit I had got code 18 before I unplugged the battery the other day Quote Selected
1988 thunderbird v6 problems Reply #59 – June 05, 2016, 01:41:19 AM code 18 (R)=key on engine running Check base timing & advance function (M)=memory Ignition TACH signal erraticcode 41 (R) System lean (M) System was lean for 15 seconds or more (no HO2S switching) Not sure what voltage the spout wire should have, but it is just a signal wire that will be lower voltage. Most signal wires have 0 to 5 volts. The reason for checking that piston 1 is at TDC when the timing mark is at zero is to make sure your harmonic balancer has not slipped. If it has it is possible that you are not at the 10 degrees base timing that you believe you are at. It's a long shot, but it is easy to check and only costs your time. Quote Selected
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