parking lot drama LOL April 10, 2015, 12:04:03 PM The wife, the baby, our daughter, and I were at wal mart yesterday for a few things, and as if that wasn't bad enough, being in wal mart during the day when the animals are out and about, when we were leaving (in the Mountaineer), I about got hit.I'd already backed out of my spot, and actually forward when some in a newer dodge SUV just backed out right in front of me. Of course since I've started to cut down on soda, I've been drinking coffee as a caffeine substitute, and at that time of day, most of a pot of coffee sloshing around in my system, I was edgy, alert, and nerves stretched tight as fiddle strings.So this ass slurp just starts backing out, I threw the Mounty in rewind and hit the gas hard enough to break the hides loose (front driveshaft is out, it's normally AWD, but now is RWD) and at the same time, I laid on the horn like it was an air raid siren and we were in Berlin in April '45.The sombitch in the dodge actually had the balls to stop...and when he opened his door, I yelled out my window "you'd best not get out asshole!".Meanwhile my wife, who is about as hot tempered as I am started yelling at the guy to effing move and flipping him off. He started flipping us off in return, and then pulled off to the side of the low where there weren't any cars as if he expected e to follow him. Since I carry, I deemed it best to leave and de-escalate the situation a little, but then, when i pulled out, he darted out behind me and started following me, staying back about 2 car lengths.I wasn't too worried, but thought to myself that I'd just see if he wanted to follow me to the police station. When we got up to the intersection where mcdonalds is, he suddenly veered off and across oncoming traffic like he had an epiphany that perhaps a big mac was better than messing with someone he probably ought not to.If I'd have been by myself, I'd have just left town without too much thought beyond avoiding getting my bumper smashed, but since I had the kids and this clown was acting rather combative...well....that folks is why I carry. You don't know what the hell other people will do anymore.And besides, I was already moving forward when he backed out without (obviously and evidently) looking to see if he was clear. THEN he got mad when I laid on the horn. Sumbitch...I know what I'd have done had he gotten out, I sure couldn't back up as there was by then a vehicle behind mine. I reckon if he'd have gotten within 5 or so feet, I'd have my Walther in hand, and do what I had to keep the wife and kids safe if he started a physical attack on me or or the vehicle.I hate wal mart. usually I go there well after dark. From now on, I won't go there unless it's a "have to" thing. Mother f*cker....LOLAnd it's not that I'm inclined to violence or conflict, I'd rather solve a situation than resort to action, and truly feel that using a gun is ONLY for a life or death event. However, I know that people have been killed for a lot less, and I fully intend to go home tonight, tomorrow night, or any night to eat supper, and tuck the kids into bed.I expect no less of anyone else in the world. Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #1 – April 15, 2015, 12:27:39 PM Wow... So much fail in this story... haha Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #2 – April 15, 2015, 01:57:24 PM This is why when someone pulls out in front of me I stop, mutter about how the person is a dumb ass to myself, and then drive off. Life's too shorty to get angry. No cars were damaged. No one was hurt. No need to get angry at each other. Relax. It will make you feel much more chill about life. :D. Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #3 – April 17, 2015, 12:05:40 AM Fail how? I was minding my own business, almost got hit, honked the horn to alert the other driver, got boxed in, flipped off, and followed.Excuse me, what was I supposed to do? Ask the sumbitch if he wanted to race? LOLAs for leaving...well, i tried. Then I was followed for about 6 blocks. As for being quick to be willing to defend myself...one night after hours, the wife and I went to our (now former) place of employment to get a few tylenol from the big bottle kept in the kitchen for employee usage, as I had a rather bad headache and didn't want to drive 11 miles to town and back for a bottle for the house.Anyway, we walked in, not knowing we were heading into a burglary. At the time I didn't carry. Starting that night, I did. We were lucky. The thief was hiding in the dark in the kitchen...hen we went in and turned the lights on, he ran right through us and out the door we'd just came in. We could've just as easily been shot, stabbed, or beaten up. That very night I started looking at laws, CC instructors in the area, and started digging into what to do in various situations where a defensive gun use would be necessary, and as well, how to react when confronted with sudden danger.I don't act as if the whole world is out to get me, nor do I float along blindly, rose tinted glasses on, and thinking it's all fluffy clouds and rainbows. shiznit happens. I'm more prepared for it than I was 2 and a half years ago. Maybe you guys live in secure, gated communities where everyone is kind, polite, and has no ill will toward others. Not that I live in the ghetto, but people have been shot and killed in three nearest towns. It's also not like I just went out and bought a gun, got my CCW and started carrying....I've been shooting, hunting, and handling and firing everything from BB guns right on up to .45-120's for the past 31 years. I've shot with pros, a few Iraq/Afghan war vets, and retired SWAT guys, and have been to a few seminars from some of the bigger names in defense carry teaching...I didn't make this post to come off like a superhero, or some arrogant parking lot bad ass. Let me reiterate one last time...I about got backed into, I honked, wife yelled, guy yelled back, flipped us off, then drove off 40-50 feet and waited for me to pull out, then followed for a few block, then cut across traffic and pulled into a mcdonalds.Sorry, but no, I'm not going to become a victim to anyone if I can help it...well, myself...not that big of a deal, but with my family, hell no. I will do whatever needs doing to ensure their safety.I'm not out for blood, but if I'm threatened, I will respond with force if it comes to that point. I'm also in Missouri, and vehicles are an extension of one's home and property. In short, if you're are attacked in your car, and you have reasonable belief that your life is danger, or the lives of family, you have the right to defend yourself with deadly force. I hope to hell I never have to, but I've got the skill and the tools if I need to rely on it...knock on wood I never ever have to.Be safe...there's harmful people in the world. Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #4 – April 21, 2015, 05:24:30 PM Your original post sure makes it sound like you and your like-tempered wife did a fine job of escalating an otherwise non-event before you were so rudely flipped off and followed...Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;446969The wife, the baby, our daughter, and I were at wal mart yesterday for a few things, and as if that wasn't bad enough, being in wal mart during the day when the animals are out and about, when we were leaving (in the Mountaineer), I about got hit.I'd already backed out of my spot, and actually forward when some in a newer dodge SUV just backed out right in front of me. Of course since I've started to cut down on soda, I've been drinking coffee as a caffeine substitute, and at that time of day, most of a pot of coffee sloshing around in my system, I was edgy, alert, and nerves stretched tight as fiddle strings.So this ass slurp just starts backing out, I threw the Mounty in rewind and hit the gas hard enough to break the hides loose (front driveshaft is out, it's normally AWD, but now is RWD) and at the same time, I laid on the horn like it was an air raid siren and we were in Berlin in April '45.The sombitch in the dodge actually had the balls to stop...and when he opened his door, I yelled out my window "you'd best not get out asshole!".Meanwhile my wife, who is about as hot tempered as I am started yelling at the guy to effing move and flipping him off. He started flipping us off in return, and then pulled off to the side of the low where there weren't any cars as if he expected e to follow him. Since I carry, I deemed it best to leave and de-escalate the situation a little, but then, when i pulled out, he darted out behind me and started following me, staying back about 2 car lengths.Maybe next time you should just chalk somebody else's actions as a mistake and move on from there. Maybe if you'd have been paying a bit more attention to what was going on in the parking lot, you would have slowed down, or even stopped, when you seen the guy starting to back out.QuoteYou don't know what the hell other people will do anymore.You laid on the horn like a tool and it backfired on you. Maybe think a little more about what you said in your original post before y'all let your road rage out on somebody. Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #5 – April 21, 2015, 08:01:02 PM Sounds like someone knows your schedule and is giving you something to think about. Happenstance. Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #6 – April 21, 2015, 08:09:53 PM Maybe next time I'll just let the asshole hit my vehicle, and then his insurance can give me a check for 1,200 or, 1,500 dollars or whatever it might come out to. I figured I'd hit my horn, and save myself some headache, and he some higher insurance premiums... my fault that he flipped me off and then sat there, too, I suppose.I guess if people in your neck of the woods get asschapped when someone honks the horn at them for inattentive driving, well then thank shag I don't travel in your neighborhood. Have a nice day... Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #7 – April 21, 2015, 08:58:03 PM Hey Scott, we just got rid of the Renzo know it all antics. You taking lessons? Why does a post that stirs opinions and debate have to be degraded to insults instead perhaps just offering a different thought or opinion? I so often say its the messenger and not the message that prevents the ideas from being received by another person. "So much fail in this story".........is that helpful in any way other than trying to bait someone? I PM'ed Beau and shared a few ideas with him about his handling and he was very gracious and receptive, and furthermore is a very insightful and intelligent guy. We often do things or say things in the heat of the moment that can cloud our perspective or judgement, and comments like your calling him a "tool" certainly don't serve any purpose other than to incite another person. I saw nothing helpful in the way you presented your thoughts other than to inflame and insult a pretty nice guy. Just my 2 cents. Courtesy is king here, and trumps all, its why this forum is such a cool place full of generally nice, helpful people. Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #8 – April 21, 2015, 10:08:49 PM Quote from: MY83T;447361Hey Scott, we just got rid of the Renzo know it all antics. You taking lessons? Why does a post that stirs opinions and debate have to be degraded to insults instead perhaps just offering a different thought or opinion? I so often say its the messenger and not the message that prevents the ideas from being received by another person. "So much fail in this story".........is that helpful in any way other than trying to bait someone? I PM'ed Beau and shared a few ideas with him about his handling and he was very gracious and receptive, and furthermore is a very insightful and intelligent guy. We often do things or say things in the heat of the moment that can cloud our perspective or judgement, and comments like your calling him a "tool" certainly don't serve any purpose other than to incite another person. I saw nothing helpful in the way you presented your thoughts other than to inflame and insult a pretty nice guy. Just my 2 cents. Courtesy is king here, and trumps all, its why this forum is such a cool place full of generally nice, helpful people.I don't know jack about cars, so I am safe from being in Renzo territory, but I can call a spade a spade when I see it. I saw nothing in the original post that stirred opinion or debate, just someone looking to have their ego stroked. At least that's the way I saw it. My opinion, if you will. If you look, I never called the guy a tool, just said his actions were similar to those of one.thunderjet had the right idea :-) Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #9 – April 21, 2015, 10:22:33 PM No scott is right. Everything is my fault. I should ask an admin to delete this train wreck thread.My post was meant to be an example that A; people are generally unobservant, and B; when you might be in a dangerous spot, it's best to keep one's eyes fully open. People have been shot and killed for far less.As for calling me a tool...LOL.This is the major league...water off of a duck's back, man. What he has to say about me or call me online doesn't matter in the slightest. I can promise that if he and I were in the same room though, he'd only call me a tool or anything else disrespectful one time. Seeing as how he wasn't there to see the incident play out I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.The reason I backed up and honked...We've got two vehicles right now that are running, licensed, and road worthy. Can't afford money wise, or material wise to have one taken out, much less by a at wal mart who doesn't look as he's backing out, much less when he's about to hit me.Di I get angry? Hell, yes, but did I smash the guy's window and punch his teeth out? No...and i never thought about it. The intent in me wasn't to provoke, or to confront. You ever heard of defensive driving? What about when the car pulled in behind me and the clown started to get out? Call 911? Yeah. When seconds count, the cops are minutes away.If I was going to commit an act of road rage, I would've pulled over to where the guy was...got out, beat his ass, and left. He instead followed me...I was ready to take it to the cop shop but he whipped into mcDogFoods. Lucky me....since I'm a such a violent, angry, vengeful person. I don't know how else to describe this to you Scott...would a lite brite help or should I make little shapes out of play doh? Help me out here, I'm out of any other ideas... Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #10 – April 21, 2015, 10:35:45 PM Quote from: Scott D;447364I don't know jack about cars, so I am safe from being in Renzo territory, but I can call a spade a spade when I see it. I saw nothing in the original post that stirred opinion or debate, just someone looking to have their ego stroked. At least that's the way I saw it. My opinion, if you will. If you look, I never called the guy a tool, just said his actions were similar to those of one.thunderjet had the right idea :-)This is exactly like those antics. Knowledge of cars not withstanding. You sidestepped the important part of my post, and changed course without dealing with what i said. You just continue with insults, and will not engage me in the statements i made, just continue arguing why you think you are right and he is wrong. Pointless in going further with you. Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #11 – April 21, 2015, 10:52:22 PM The guy didn't pull out in front of me, he came within inches of hitting my vehicle.I don't see how you quoting Lou has an bearing on justifying calling me a tool, whether it was a sideways but not quite 100% calling me a tool or not. The ends justifies the means though, right?Tell me, what would you have done? Sit there and get hit? Keep in mind that by the time he looked in his mirror (I know he did, I was looking into his mirror to make sure he saw ME) there was a car on my rear bumper, so when he opened his door, for all intents and purposes to me to get physical, I had nowhere to go. I had my wife and 2 of my children with me also. The options are honk, or get hit. After that, he stopped, opened his door, and that's when things got vocal and middle fingers started waving from both vehicles. However...he opened his door FIRST. That to me shows intent to take it beyond merely shutting the f*ck up and leaving on his part. At that point I was boxed in and you will NOT put my family in harm's way or else you'd by god better be ready for war.I see things mostly in black and white. Not literally...He wasn't checking his six, about hit me. I honked, he opened his door. I looked behind me..., I'm boxed in, meanwhile the wife is yelling and they're both flying birds like it's some sort of middle finger contest and I hollered at him to not get out. THEN he drives off and waits for me to do something. I left, only he wasn't playing that game...Call a spade a spade or whatever else fits your agenda, call it a salad fork for all I care. (I don't.)I didn't make this post to get my ego stroked or have 50 m-fer's say attaboy Beau, you should beat his ass, or anything like that. I DO know what I should've done though...keep my goded incident to myself. Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #12 – April 21, 2015, 11:03:59 PM Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;447369The guy didn't pull out in front of me, he came within inches of hitting my vehicle.I don't see how you quoting Lou has an bearing on justifying calling me a tool, whether it was a sideways but not quite 100% calling me a tool or not. The ends justifies the means though, right?Tell me, what would you have done? Sit there and get hit? Keep in mind that by the time he looked in his mirror (I know he did, I was looking into his mirror to make sure he saw ME) there was a car on my rear bumper, so when he opened his door, for all intents and purposes to me to get physical, I had nowhere to go. I had my wife and 2 of my children with me also. The options are honk, or get hit. After that, he stopped, opened his door, and that's when things got vocal and middle fingers started waving from both vehicles. However...he opened his door FIRST. That to me shows intent to take it beyond merely shutting the f*ck up and leaving on his part. At that point I was boxed in and you will NOT put my family in harm's way or else you'd by god better be ready for war.I see things mostly in black and white. Not literally...He wasn't checking his six, about hit me. I honked, he opened his door. I looked behind me..., I'm boxed in, meanwhile the wife is yelling and they're both flying birds like it's some sort of middle finger contest and I hollered at him to not get out. THEN he drives off and waits for me to do something. I left, only he wasn't playing that game...Call a spade a spade or whatever else fits your agenda, call it a salad fork for all I care. (I don't.)I didn't make this post to get my ego stroked or have 50 m-fer's say attaboy Beau, you should beat his ass, or anything like that. I DO know what I should've done though...keep my goded incident to myself.Beau,We all share stories, life happenings and just general goings on. We all need not agree, or get our asses kissed for everything we write, but i do think that a general attitude of courtesy and respect should prevail even when someone disagrees or takes a different view. This is a simple thread and requires a simple reply.1. Well done, i would have done the same and why.....2. Bad idea, and this is why i think so. Anything else is just trolling and baiting, and is chicken shiznit and small minded. Period. Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #13 – April 21, 2015, 11:05:35 PM Quote from: MY83T;447368This is exactly like those antics. Knowledge of cars not withstanding. You sidestepped the important part of my post, and changed course without dealing with what i said. You just continue with insults, and will not engage me in the statements i made, just continue arguing why you think you are right and he is wrong. Pointless in going further with you.Quote from: MY83T;447361Hey Scott, we just got rid of the Renzo know it all antics. You taking lessons? Why does a post that stirs opinions and debate have to be degraded to insults instead perhaps just offering a different thought or opinion? I so often say its the messenger and not the message that prevents the ideas from being received by another person. "So much fail in this story".........is that helpful in any way other than trying to bait someone? I PM'ed Beau and shared a few ideas with him about his handling and he was very gracious and receptive, and furthermore is a very insightful and intelligent guy. We often do things or say things in the heat of the moment that can cloud our perspective or judgement, and comments like your calling him a "tool" certainly don't serve any purpose other than to incite another person. I saw nothing helpful in the way you presented your thoughts other than to inflame and insult a pretty nice guy. Just my 2 cents. Courtesy is king here, and trumps all, its why this forum is such a cool place full of generally nice, helpful people.1) I like that :-)2) I offered my opinion of the original subject of the thread and never tossed insults at anyone3) Could I have offered more than my "so much fail etc etc" reply? Sure, I could have.4) eh, whatever5) I never called the dude a "tool." Read my reply again :-)6) I would like to be a jerk and ask if you'd like me to pm you my replies to posts from now on, but that's an asinine and otherwise useless reply. I stand by my replies and the way I presented my thoughts. Will I think out the next reply a bit better? Probably. Do I retract the ones I have made? Nope.To Beau... chill out and pay attention in parking lots (and everywhere) bud. The next clown you go blowing the horn at and your wife starts giving the middle finger to could be past the point of being an idiot and take it out on y'all. You never know who's behind the wheel of the other car, so just take their actions as you would want them to take yours.I would much rather not deal with stupid people any longer than I have to, and laying "on the horn like it was an air raid siren and we were in Berlin in April '45," probably isn't the way to go about it. I know if I effed up and back out into somebody's way, I would sure like a courteous blow (or two) of the horn than foolishness. Quote Selected
parking lot drama LOL Reply #14 – April 21, 2015, 11:49:38 PM Points made and acknowledged. No worries.I know I did say I laid on the horn...however, the literary embellishment was strictly that. I didn't stand on it until the cows came home. One of those things that gets lost in translation via forum, I suppose.In fact, I hit the horn and stayed on it until he looked in the mirror and made eye contact. That's when shiznit got really surreal and I went into defense mode.The fact that I was paying attention to others likely kept me from caving in his hatch on his (fairly new looking) Dodge Nitro or Durango or whatever it was...I was somewhat fixated for a breif instant on the "ram's horn" badge as he was fixing to trade paint...I never did catch the model, not that it makes a fart's difference in a tornado at this point lol.Wal mart, here at least...has this strange phenomenon of most drivers losing their intelligence as soon as they enter the lot. Weekly there's a fender bender or someone hits a cart and damages their car and the police have to come out and take a report. And the times I've laughed at people for parking way down at the northeast end where hardly anyone parks... d'oh.And lastly, I started out writing the post as something humorous, along the way it got darker as the incident got a little more spirited....my way of dealing with things is usually to find humor in any manner i can, however, I do stand by the belief that while one may do something stupid in front of or to do with myself, pulling those same stunts with my kids and/or wife nearby will often unleash my dark side. I don't have anger problems, but I do act fast and decisively when I'm riled up, not to say I make snap judgment calls either, and I own what I do. Hope y'all have a great night....peace and blessed be. :) Quote Selected
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