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Question about 87's

Were the V8's available with console shift?
Current: 1986 Thunderbird, 105k 3.8/C5, 2 tone  Midnight Wine/Medium Taupe, wing windows, wire wheel covers.


Former: 1985 Cougar GS 115k Oxford White/Regatta Blue, 5.0, full console, 14" 8 hole aluminum T-Bird rims, Edelbrock valve covers.

Question about 87's

Reply #1
Quote from: White85GS;430764
Were the V8's available with console shift?

as in a 5 speed manual?  No......  Auto floor shift only on 87-88 XR-7's








1983 FORD THUNDERBIRD HERITAGE 5.0
2008 SAAB 9-7X AERO 6.0 (LS2) 1 0f 554 Made
2011 FORD FLEX SEL Family Hauler

Question about 87's

Reply #2
no, I mean the 4 speed AOD. What about Sports?
Current: 1986 Thunderbird, 105k 3.8/C5, 2 tone  Midnight Wine/Medium Taupe, wing windows, wire wheel covers.


Former: 1985 Cougar GS 115k Oxford White/Regatta Blue, 5.0, full console, 14" 8 hole aluminum T-Bird rims, Edelbrock valve covers.

Question about 87's

Reply #3
Quote from: White85GS;430766
no, I mean the 4 speed AOD. What about Sports?

87/88 Thunderbird Sport - Cougar XR-7  5.0 with AOD 4 speed floor shift.

87/88 Thunderbird and Cougar LS  5.0 option, always column shift

83/88 Thunderbird T/C    5 speed manual  all years  (Standard)

84/88 Thunderbird T/C    4 Speed Auto Floor shift (option)

84/86 Cougar XR-7          5 Speed Manual  (Standard)

84/86 Cougar XR-7        4 Speed Auto Floor Shift (option)


I think that covers all the floor shift Thunderbird/Cougars from 83-88








1983 FORD THUNDERBIRD HERITAGE 5.0
2008 SAAB 9-7X AERO 6.0 (LS2) 1 0f 554 Made
2011 FORD FLEX SEL Family Hauler

Question about 87's

Reply #4
Thanks. The auto trans on 83-86 turbos was a 3 speed, 87-88 was the 4 speed.
Current: 1986 Thunderbird, 105k 3.8/C5, 2 tone  Midnight Wine/Medium Taupe, wing windows, wire wheel covers.


Former: 1985 Cougar GS 115k Oxford White/Regatta Blue, 5.0, full console, 14" 8 hole aluminum T-Bird rims, Edelbrock valve covers.

Question about 87's

Reply #5
Interesting. I didn't think floor shifts were only 87-88 sport/xr7's.

Its rare to see a console in non floor shift cars, so I assumed the console was generally paired with a floor shift cars
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

Question about 87's

Reply #6
Quote from: White85GS;430771
Thanks. The auto trans on 83-86 turbos was a 3 speed, 87-88 was the 4 speed.[/QUOTE

 Have a look here:

Engine   Shift Pattern    Tranny
302 V8   P-R-N-OD-D-1   AOD
232 V6   P-R-N-OD-D-1   AOD
232 V6   P-R-N-D-2-1   C5
2.3l Turbo 4   Manual 5 speed   Borg Warner T-5, 4 cyl bolt pattern
2.3l Turbo 4   P-R-N-D-2-1   C3
2.3l Turbo 4   P-R-N-OD-D-2-1   A4LD

Quote from: Haystack;430772
Interesting. I didn't think floor shifts were only 87-88 sport/xr7's.

Its rare to see a console in non floor shift cars, so I assumed the console was generally paired with a floor shift cars
83/84 all had a full console, but no floor shift except for Turbo Coupe both Auto and Stick for 84, 83 only Manual.
85/86 Turbo Coupe had full console, manual and auto
85/86 base/elan Consolette
85 Fila  full console no floor shift  auto on column only
85/30th Anniversary  consolette no floor shift
86 base/elan consolette
87/88 Base/LX  Consolette and column shift
87/88 TC Auto/manual floor shift full console
87/88 Sport Auto on floor with full console








1983 FORD THUNDERBIRD HERITAGE 5.0
2008 SAAB 9-7X AERO 6.0 (LS2) 1 0f 554 Made
2011 FORD FLEX SEL Family Hauler

Question about 87's

Reply #7
Anyone know why AOD's did not have 2nd on the shifter? Not just these, anything with an AOD lacked a 2nd gear.
Current: 1986 Thunderbird, 105k 3.8/C5, 2 tone  Midnight Wine/Medium Taupe, wing windows, wire wheel covers.


Former: 1985 Cougar GS 115k Oxford White/Regatta Blue, 5.0, full console, 14" 8 hole aluminum T-Bird rims, Edelbrock valve covers.

Question about 87's

Reply #8
That's just the way the valve body was set up. You can hold second by putting it in 1, accelerate, shift to D, when you are in second, pull the shifter back to 1, and it will hold second.

You can get the valve body changed so that it's OD-2-1 if you want.
CoogarXR : 1985 Cougar XR-7

Question about 87's

Reply #9
Quote from: CoogarXR;430781
That's just the way the valve body was set up. You can hold second by putting it in 1, accelerate, shift to D, when you are in second, pull the shifter back to 1, and it will hold second.

You can get the valve body changed so that it's OD-2-1 if you want.
Interesting.
Current: 1986 Thunderbird, 105k 3.8/C5, 2 tone  Midnight Wine/Medium Taupe, wing windows, wire wheel covers.


Former: 1985 Cougar GS 115k Oxford White/Regatta Blue, 5.0, full console, 14" 8 hole aluminum T-Bird rims, Edelbrock valve covers.

Question about 87's

Reply #10
My 86 has a console and no floor shifter. they only had gave and ls those years with a 5.0. How do you tell which? The title only says cougar and it doesn't say ls anywhere on the car.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

Question about 87's

Reply #11
Quote from: Haystack;430785
My 86 has a console and no floor shifter. they only had gave and ls those years with a 5.0. How do you tell which? The title only says cougar and it doesn't say ls anywhere on the car.

86 Cougar was a Consolette unless you had a 5 speed or floor shift Auto Turbo Cougar XR-7  Odds are if you have a 5.0 with a console it was added after the fact.








1983 FORD THUNDERBIRD HERITAGE 5.0
2008 SAAB 9-7X AERO 6.0 (LS2) 1 0f 554 Made
2011 FORD FLEX SEL Family Hauler

Question about 87's

Reply #12
my 85 was a Base, had the 5.0 and the full length console! No cruise, power locks or seats, but it had tilt, power mirrors and windows.
Current: 1986 Thunderbird, 105k 3.8/C5, 2 tone  Midnight Wine/Medium Taupe, wing windows, wire wheel covers.


Former: 1985 Cougar GS 115k Oxford White/Regatta Blue, 5.0, full console, 14" 8 hole aluminum T-Bird rims, Edelbrock valve covers.

Question about 87's

Reply #13
Just to add more confusion:

My Thunderbird has a full length console removed from an 87 Cougar LS at the wreaking yard. The Cougar was a V6 AOD car which only had power windows, lock and mirrors. It had a column shifter with a full length console and the little tray in place of the shifter. It came from the factory like that. So it was apparently possible in 87 to order a Cougar with a full length console and a column shifter. Also in 87 the Thunderbird Sport didn't have the Turbo Coupe style sport seats but instead the base Thunderbird seats. In 87 the only way to get the Turbo Coupe style sport seats outside of a Turbo Coupe was to order them on a LX Thunderbird. That also got you a floor shift. However in 88 that option disappeared from the LX Thunderbird.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

Question about 87's

Reply #14
that was one nice thing about MN-12's: they ALL had console shifter.
Current: 1986 Thunderbird, 105k 3.8/C5, 2 tone  Midnight Wine/Medium Taupe, wing windows, wire wheel covers.


Former: 1985 Cougar GS 115k Oxford White/Regatta Blue, 5.0, full console, 14" 8 hole aluminum T-Bird rims, Edelbrock valve covers.