too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #15 – January 31, 2010, 04:48:03 PM thats what i was thinking about Pro... still being able to steer. thats why i like ABS :) Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #16 – February 01, 2010, 04:28:48 PM When I test drive a 87-88 TC, the ABS is the first thing I check to make sure it still works.Works great in auto-x too. Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #17 – February 01, 2010, 06:11:21 PM Quote from: ProTouring442;308643And just about no one can deal with the effects of unequal traction situations where one or more wheels is on a surface that is more slick than the rest, as in the case of ice, snow, or water on the side of the road but not in the middle. Remember too that most ABS systems monitor each wheel, and not the system as a whole. Try that during "threshold braking."The biggest demonstration of what ABS can do though comes not in stopping distance, but in your ability to be both stopping at a maximum rate and still be able to steer. As ABS monitors each wheel, and it keeps all of them from sliding, it leaves traction for guiding the vehicle away from the impending collision.Shiny Side Up!BillI had considered putting ABS in mine for that reason. Since I have the ABS exciter rings at all 4 corners anyway (just not all installed yet on the front). Cad T-bird, I have a friend who was turning left into his work and washiznit on the left side of his 69 GTO by a little grey haired lady. Ripped the entire front sheet metal and left front suspension off his car and sent her into a light pole. He got the ticket for failure to yield the right of way. This was in Texas. Go figure.Oh ya, did I mention that she was going the same way he was!! Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #18 – February 01, 2010, 07:22:56 PM Quote from: ProTouring442;308643 Remember too that most ABS systems monitor each wheel, and not the system as a whole. Try that during "threshold braking."i dont know what the turbocoupes had but most ABS brake systems of the day were rear wheels only, definately not like the "monitor everything and even uses the brakes for you at all wheels" systems of today. as for steering while braking cant say much there since its either one or the other for me, usually the other :burnout: Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #19 – February 01, 2010, 07:30:50 PM Quote from: Ductape91;308879i dont know what the turbocoupes had but most ABS brake systems of the day were rear wheels only, definately not like the "monitor everything and even uses the brakes for you at all wheels" systems of today. as for steering while braking cant say much there since its either one or the other for me, usually the other :burnout:Most of the import and pick up truck stuff was rear wheel only, but pretty much all of the US ABS equipped cars were 3 or 4 channel systems. The 3 channel systems were used on RWD solid axle vehicles where, due to the tendency for them to become tail-happy, you could treat the rear axle as one unit.Shiny Side Up!Bill Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #20 – February 01, 2010, 07:55:41 PM My Durango has that 3 channel systems. It was a little disconcerting when it worked the first time. Winter time in Chicago now NWI Indiana Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #21 – February 01, 2010, 08:39:42 PM Quote from: Ductape91;308879i dont know what the turbocoupes had but most ABS brake systems of the day were rear wheels only, definately not like the "monitor everything and even uses the brakes for you at all wheels" systems of today. as for steering while braking cant say much there since its either one or the other for me, usually the other :burnout:That's not the case. Otherwise, how would it help you steer if the front wheels were allowed to lock up? I doubt it's independent at each wheel, but the fronts definitely are ABS. Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #22 – February 01, 2010, 08:45:38 PM my 90 f150 only has rear channel abs. and yea. the fronts do lock up in the snow. Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #23 – February 01, 2010, 10:39:05 PM Pumping the brakes always worked for me. Manual ABS FTW!! Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #24 – February 02, 2010, 06:48:57 AM Quote from: 88FoxBird;308928Pumping the brakes always worked for me. Manual ABS FTW!!Yes, and that is the best alternative when ABS is not present, but ABS will allow for a quicker stop and more control than pumping the brakes. Even the more primitive ABS systems can cycle the pressure on a given wheel several times per second, while the average human might get once per second. Shiny Side Up!Bill Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #25 – February 02, 2010, 06:59:44 AM Quote from: 84TBirdTurbo42;308900my 90 f150 only has rear channel abs. and yea. the fronts do lock up in the snow.Yeah, the rear "ABS" systems used on trucks were an extension of the weight shift systems utilized on many imports, particularly German imports. On the "weight shift" systems, the amount of weight shift was monitored mechanically via a brake bias valve operating off of the rear axle. As the rear of the vehicle would lift, the bias valve would reduce the pressure to the rear wheels to reduce the chance of premature rear wheel lock up that might lead to a "spin-out."Of course a pick up truck is subject to extremes of chassis loading with the bed being anywhere from empty to overloaded, each radically altering the overall vehicle braking dynamics from what would be expected in a different loading situation. To remedy this and yet at the same time keep costs down, many manufacturers introduced rear wheel only ABS systems on pick ups. The systems were much more cost effective than the old weight shift systems, and much more effective at preventing rear wheel lock up as well. Shiny Side Up!Bill Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #26 – February 02, 2010, 07:31:18 AM Quote from: 88FoxBird;308928Pumping the brakes always worked for me. Manual ABS FTW!!+2 FTW. :burnout::burnout: Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #27 – February 02, 2010, 06:00:05 PM Quote from: 88FoxBird;308928Pumping the brakes always worked for me. Manual ABS FTW!!Same here, when I'm driving the Saturn. Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #28 – February 02, 2010, 08:49:24 PM my 1989 continental has 4 wheel abs and dual air bags :)cepting its not working right now . oh well still got the cougar ! Quote Selected
too bad these cars didnt have ABS brakes! Reply #29 – February 03, 2010, 08:40:00 AM I'm wondering if the 87-88 XR7's had ABS. Quote Selected
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