Just got back from the race track! May 11, 2008, 10:19:38 PM You guys should have seen me tear up the autocross course in the 'Vic! :burnout: The course was really tight! The opening gate was a 90* Chicago style turn and the outlet was so narrow that it just wouldn't fit. I hit the last cone in the box with the tail of the back bumper on nearly every single run. :hick: I did manage a 44.830 (FTD was a 36.3 ish? in a Carerra 2.7 RS and most of the Boxter's/Caymen's were in the 46's so I was mid-pack. Slow man out was a 47.9 in a 914). I got 10 runs which was awesome. I'm beat! When are any of you going to try it? I also ran the brackets Saturday night. [SIZE="5"]ANOTHER WIN!!! [/SIZE]Four more rounds and another certificate for the wall. My reaction times: 1st round - .174 (I know, I know, but his was a .345!!!), 2nd Round - .086, 3rd - .018, Final - .026, Bonus Round 1 - .030, Bonus Round 2 - .078. Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #1 – May 11, 2008, 11:17:55 PM Wasn't the RX-7 ready for the autocross, or did you just want to run the Vic? Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #2 – May 11, 2008, 11:37:56 PM The RX-7 is supposed to be the autocross car, but with the bracket race being the night before I figured what the hay, might as well run it instead of driving 100 miles round trip to swap cars. Next month will be all-RX-7. Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #3 – May 12, 2008, 01:24:11 AM haha I am getting my first run this year on the Dunnville Autodrome next Saturday... Am taking the Capri for sure, and maybe the MN12 bird. Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #4 – May 12, 2008, 02:07:43 PM Awesome. Would love to see a big ol' Vic on the Autocross. Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #6 – May 13, 2008, 12:41:44 PM Interesting...Maybe they confused the Vic for the RX-7 One hell of a bell curve if last place was "midpack" Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #7 – May 13, 2008, 01:10:15 PM What does DNS mean? The last 6 drivers have DNS after their names, and it shows Micheal Pinto in 51st place.... and having the last score shown. Can someone explain this to me please?50 NP 50 Kimberly Beck 2006 Mazda Miata 45.385 0.672 8.78451 NP 83 Michael Pinto 1984 Mazda RX-7 46.830 1.445 10.22952 S2 153 Scott Faris 2001 Porsche 911 DNS 53 I1 74 Kent Olsen 1972 Porsche 911T DNS 54 NP 1171 Ryan Otis 2006 LRC DNS 55 P3 109 Ryan Sauer 1979 Porsche 911SC DNS 56 NP 111 Sandy Snethen 1992 Chevrolet Corvette DNS 57 NP 114 Eric Wishan 2006 BMW Z4 DNS Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #8 – May 13, 2008, 01:31:25 PM DNS= Did not start, did not score..... or something along those lines. Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #9 – May 13, 2008, 01:32:18 PM "DNS" is "Did Not Start". Either they were a no-show or they failed tech. For some reason they don't use "DNF" though? The Coronet wagon got thrown out for leaving 2-3 quarts of ATF all over the track. He did some donuts out in the paddock on his way out and the officials were screaming for him stop. Rumor is he earned a lifetime ban...I forgot to add my cones! You get a 2 second penalty for every cone hit that actually falls over or moves out of the "box". On raw time I'd be up ONE place, darn! I had guesstimated my mid-pack seeing others times on the scoreboard at the event. If you look through this results page: http://www.oregonpca.org/events/autocross/ax-results/2008-ax3/ax3-final-results-with-cones/You'll see that a LOT of people had one "perfect" run with a whole load of slower runs. Guess you only need the one though right?For example:1T I1 152 Richard Averitt 1971 Porsche 914 50.994 47.232 46.757 46.796+1 47.339 46.314 46.028 44.266 44.512+1It's really hard and hectic to know what's going on during the event. I didn't even see the results page was up.I had registered with the RX-7 (which they have wrong anyways, it's supposed to be an 83 not an 84) and changed cars at the last second. They kind of "stop bothering" with the Non-Porsche guys after 15 places. :(My best raw time was a 44.830 (+1 cone). 5 runs in the low 45's (all with that same cone) and then worse ones with more cones (in the wet). :hick:Still tons of fun :D Trying again Saturday! Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #10 – May 13, 2008, 08:03:58 PM QuoteYou'll see that a LOT of people had one "perfect" run with a whole load of slower runs. Guess you only need the one though right?For example:1T I1 152 Richard Averitt 1971 Porsche 914 50.994 47.232 46.757 46.796+1 47.339 46.314 46.028 44.266 44.512+1I'd do the same thing...feel out the course and see what the car and myself were capable of on that particular track. This is especially true if I've never run there before or if I'm running a different car than before.As far as not bothering after 15 places with the non Porsche guys....Looks like they posted everybody's raw time....As far as the scores with cones....I would bet it's on record at the track in their archives. They most likely won't post up lower scores that most people will show little or no interest in. To them it is most likely a waste of time. That time could be better spent somewhere else. Remember, it IS a business.As far as the 83/84 thing I would think that's more on you. No one person is a car expert on every type of car. It should be in your best interest to make the info available and easily understandable to the records keepers as to avoid errors. Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #11 – May 13, 2008, 10:20:59 PM Every autocross is a new track, they are notoriously hard to "replicate". Most drivers varied little if any after their first run or two (myself included). A slow "scouting" trip and then working at ever decreasing times. I dropped a steady two total seconds over my 6 good dry runs after my 2 scouting runs. Some guys attack it all out on every try in hopes of making one perfect time (the overall FTD did that). Others just get lucky on a single run. Everybody has a different style, and mine is still very conservative.It says raw time, but it's not, it's final times. Take a look at the results page I posted and you'll see some people's raw times are quicker then the final times listed on the first list, and a +1 for the 1 cone (2 seconds). They only show the complete run chart down to 15th for the NP guys.The 83/84 thing is 100% up to them. The registration is all done online and my online profile shows 83 RX-7. I don't know why it doesn't update correctly unless they hand-type it in. Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #12 – May 14, 2008, 08:09:48 AM QuoteThe 83/84 thing is 100% up to them. [COLOR="Red"]The registration is all done online[/COLOR] http://www.oregonpca.org/events/autocross/ax-registration/QuoteORPCA AX RegistrationSpectators: FREE! Drivers: ORPCA Members Non-members** Pre-Registration $35 $40 Walk-Up Registration $40 $45 Pre-registration: http://orpca.motorsportreg.com/ In order to improve our operations and have more time for fun we have implemented an online pre-registration program this year. It is simple and easy to use. Just go to http://orpca.motorsportreg.com/ and establish an account, which only takes a few minutes, and you can register for our with a few clicks of your mouse. Each event date in the schedule is linked to the registration page until the event has passed. ORPCA Members: Registration for each event is now open unrestricted. We will limit the total number of entrants to 50 people. **Non-ORPCA Members: Registration for each event will be opened approximately 2 weeks before the event depending on availability. There will be a MAX of 15 Non-ORPCA entrants for each event and a MAX of 50 entrants for each event (i.e. if there are 40 ORPCA members pre-registered, then there will only be 10 Non-ORPCA slots available when registration opens 2 weeks before each event). ANDhttp://www.oregonpca.org/events/autocross/QuoteHow do I get in on the action? Just come on down to PIR. Each partint typically gets 5-6 timed runs each. Arrive at PIR by 7:00am to check in or register and walk the course prior to our 8:30am drivers meeting. Track crossing for events in the Pro Pits is at the Start/Finish line midway down the PIR front straight, and is closed from 9:00am until we are done.What to bring: Helmet* (2000 or 2005 SA or M rated); bottled water; and a jacket.*Limited Loaner Helmets AvailableSeems to me you can register in person.....The Porsche guys get first dibs because, well, it's their sandbox and you have to wait your turn to play in it.....I assume you have an account...I decided against creating one just to see where the 83/84 discrepancy was, but it was clear that the registrant was to provide the info for the vehicle(s) in question.I am unable to view your profile or can't find it so I don't know what the issue is there.Quote from: P71It says raw time, but it's not, it's final times. Take a look at the results page I posted and you'll see some people's raw times are quicker then the final times listed on the first list, and a +1 for the 1 cone (2 seconds). They only show the complete run chart down to 15th for the NP guys.As far as the Raw time/Final results with cones.....I wasn't about to check every single one over.....I did compare about ten and the times jived....the far right time which was in bold on the results page always matched the time on the raw page for the ones I checked.....Do you have a specific example?Judging by this, You may have not been consideered an entrant. Guess they took the highest 15 and determined those guys were or perhaps you got in last minute as they wanted to fill up the field?I'm curious why there were more than 50 names on the raw results page.QuoteThere will be a MAX of 15 Non-ORPCA entrants for each event and a MAX of 50 entrants for each event (i.e. if there are 40 ORPCA members pre-registered, then there Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #13 – May 14, 2008, 11:10:01 AM V-8 can you please explain the difference between Raw time and Final time? I've never raced before so I am not familiar with any of it.Does this mean that there were only 15 cars that actually raced and counted? Or are there 50 cars and that is all that counted? I am really confused. lolWhy would they put on the cars times on up to 51 cars??? And are they in order from first to last, so is #51 position dead last since as explained already the ones listed after that didn't start??? Quote Selected
Just got back from the race track! Reply #14 – May 14, 2008, 11:22:28 AM Raw time is the time it actually took you to go around the course. Final time is the raw time plus any penalties (cones). If you have raw times with penalties that are higher then other raw times, then the lowest final time is your "best" (The 39 second example above. He ran 2 runs with a lower "raw" time in the 39's. But he clipped a cone in each causing a 2-second penalty making the times 41's. So his "clean" 40 run is his best final time).All 51 cars raced and were counted. More then that were signed up, but the "DNS" cars of course didn't actually run at all. So yes, I was dead last in final times.The 15 cars comes from the "NP" (Non-Porsche) category. They stop producing the raw times table after 10-15 NP cars which is why my 23rd in class isn't on that list. It's a PCA event for Porsche's and in a class of 20+ cars the top 6 trophy, so they don't feel a need to explain beyond 10 or so places how the final times were achieved.In rally cross (auto cross on dirt/gravel/mud/snow) they use your combined time (ie- all of your times added together) to produce finishing order, awarding consistency over outright speed on one run. Quote Selected
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