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Reply #15
Raw time is the time it actually took you to go around the course.

Final time is the raw time plus any penalties (cones). If you have raw times with penalties that are higher then other raw times, then the lowest final time is your "best" (The 39 second example above. He ran 2 runs with a lower "raw" time in the 39's. But he clipped a cone in each causing a 2-second penalty making the times 41's. So his "clean" 40 run is his best final time).

All 51 cars raced and were counted. More then that were signed up, but the "DNS" cars of course didn't actually run at all. So yes, I was dead last in final times.

The 15 cars comes from the "NP" (Non-Porsche) category. They stop producing the raw times table after 10-15 NP cars which is why my 23rd in class isn't on that list. It's a PCA event for Porsche's and in a class of 20+ cars the top 6 trophy, so they don't feel a need to explain beyond 10 or so places how the final times were achieved.

In rally cross (auto cross on dirt/gravel/mud/snow) they use your combined time (ie- all of your times added together) to produce finishing order, awarding consistency over outright speed on one run.

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Reply #16
well since i chose to poke the bear, so to speak, i guess i will explain.

your posted results differed from those on the official results page.
when you appointed yourself as the caretaker of the of the FTBCF top 25 you also placed yourself somewhat in the spotlight wrt records keeping and such. when you put up differing numbers(for whatever reason), it makes people curious. i believe V8Demon had valid concerns, and you gettin defensive in your explanations does not help your case.

as far as how TurboFord the FTBCF may or may not be, i dont see anyone else complaining. i believe this is your problem, not ours. i also believe you figured out a workable solution to your problem over there, no?
gumby - beauty may fade, but stupid is forever!

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Reply #17
I don't see someone having legitimate concerns about something as being the same as having negative attitude.
I don't think this site is a negative one, but I do believe that people who know their stuff will call bullshiznit when they see it.
I've seen a few around here who have spewed BS left and right then turned around and whined about it when someone called them on it.
This is a great site, as long as it is maintained as a truthful one, which I think is what most here desire.
If someone doesn't like it being a truthful site, then I suppose  they could leave it.... but they shouldn't expect everyone else to lay down and allow the BS to continue.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
:cougarsmily:~Karen~

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Reply #18
SCCA events in many instances have what is called a PAX time.

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Understanding PAX Factors
The PAX factors are derived from comparisons of the best drivers in the different open SCCA classes in a selected series of events. Thus a PAX factor is a sort of handicap with a PAX of 1.000 being for the fastest class of cars (A-Modified). Let's look at an example.
RAW TIMES FOR SAME DRIVER IN CARS IN 3 CLASSES
To understand PAX factors consider what would happen if one of the best drivers in the country practiced in three different cars which were prepared to the limit of the rules for their class and then competed in each car on the same course. That driver would achieve the raw times in an AM, SS, and HS car shown at the right.
 
PAX FACTOR CALCULATION FOR CARS IN 3 CLASSES
Therefore the fastest car is the AM car and the slowest is the HS car. If we were to divide the raw time for the fastest car (AM) by the raw time for each car we would get the PAX Factor relative to the fastest car as shown to the right.
 
PAX TIME CALCULATION FOR CARS IN 3 CLASSES
If we now MULTIPLE the raw time for each car by the PAX Factor we will get the PAX Time for each car as shown to the right.
 
PAX TIMES FOR 3 DRIVERS IN 3 CARS
So, the PAX Time for each car is the same, which is what we would expect if they were driven by the same driver with ample practice in each car. But, what would happen if each car was now driven by a different driver? The process is the same...MULTIPLE the Raw Time received by each entrant by the PAX Factor for the car's class. Suppose the results were as shown to the right.
 
As you can see in this example the car actually winning the class would be the HS car because the driver turned in Raw Time which gave a PAX Time better than the others. The driver of the SS and AM cars did not extract the same potential as predicted by the PAX Factors which says they should have received faster Raw Times.

Since it is not possible to get the same driver trained in the best prepared cars in every class, PAX Factors are derived from buttstuffyzing the results of top drivers in the best prepared cars in several selected events across the country to try and determine the predicted performance of fully prepared cars in a given class.


Besides that the raw times chart was labelled as "FINAL Raw Times"

I take that to mean that the cone deductions had been factored in as the other page showed actual track times.  Perhaps a more appropriate title for those times should be "Official Times", but rumaging through other autocross sites shows this one is not the only one that does it this way.


I do have one observation concerning the labelling on the car......

If I signed up for an autocross event with my Cougar and showed up with my Mustang I would expect some raised eyebrows and some paperwork that I would have to fill out along with possibly a longer than normal safety check.  By your own statements, there is a tech inspection at these events...

Quote from: P71
OK, you want a freaking explanation for every little f-ing thing, FINE! [COLOR="Red"]Here you go big shot![/COLOR][COLOR="Blue"]<---guess that's me =)[/COLOR]
Car (83/84):
http://www.motorsportreg.com
"Garage
Vehicle Color
1983 Mazda RX-7 Red Metallic
2001 Ford Interceptor Dark Blue"
"Club Memberships
Organization
PCA - Oregon Region
SCCA - Oregon Region"
"Registration History
Date Organization Venue
May 2008 PCA - Oregon Region Portland Int'l Raceway South Pits details
Apr 2008 PCA - Oregon Region Portland Int'l Raceway South Pits details"

That explain it well enough yet?


Not really, but it shows that somebody on their end looks to have indeed made a typo if the above info you typed is correct.  Other than that.......NO.  Especially if the Vic is in your profile.  You DO have to sign in upon showing up, correct?

Quote from: P71
I did manage a 44.830 (FTD was a 36.3 ish? in a Carerra 2.7 RS and [COLOR="Red"]most of the Boxter's/Caymen's were in the 46's [/COLOR]so I was mid-pack. Slow man out was a 47.9 in a 914).



Of [SIZE="5"]ALL[/SIZE] of the times posted on the chart with the cone deductions included there were 12 runs in the 46 second or higher out of 96 shown runs for Caymans/Boxsters.

12 out of 96 is 1/8 or .125 or 12.5%......hardly most.

Quote from: gumby
your posted results differed from those on the official results page.
when you appointed yourself as the caretaker of the of the FTBCF top 25 you also placed yourself somewhat in the spotlight wrt records keeping and such. when you put up differing numbers(for whatever reason), it makes people curious.

Exactly.


You gripe about how they keep score of things (only 15 NP guys listed) yet they spell that out all over their website.  You used guesses and wailed about a system that to me appears quite easy to understand and is accuarate and set up for the SCCA guy if they wanted to do PAX conversions.

As far as negative attitude, nobody called you a name.  The same cannot be said in reverse.  While "big shot" is unoffensive for the most part it does show you in fact have thrown the first name calling stone, however small it may be.

As far as the bracket racing:

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Or is it you don't believe I won the bracket race? It's OK, I can provide that too:
http://www.pdxcgp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4184


Clicking on the link you provide gives me this:

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Log me on automatically each visit 
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I forgot my password
Resend activation email
 


You know --- one of those "you must be logged in to view this" deals.


You've been coming here long enough to know that this place as a whole searches endlessly for truth.  If you post up something and say "it's a duck" it  well better walk, talk and float like a duck.

Lastly, I just noticed a new smilie and I HAVE to use it --:mercury:
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Reply #19
Is everyone drinking this?

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Reply #20
I just took a ride in the elehater.
It's Gumby's fault.

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Reply #21
In da club :mullet:
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Reply #22
Hey, it isn't all hate - nobody pointed out that you posted your results in the wrong section :mullet: (at least I don't think they did - I didn't bother reading it all, I've got a headache and it's too many words right now :hick:

I, personally, am not surprised a CVPI came in dead last among a bunch of Porsches. It would have been really, really funny had you actually beaten one in your big, American "dinosaur".
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Reply #23
Quote from: JeremyB;218847
Is everyone drinking this?


It mine as well be Hatorade - that stuff hate me. If I drink any of that  I get the most violent acid-reflux. I solved my acid reflux problem (knock on wood) by cutting out all electrolite drinks!
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Reply #24
And to answer your questions V8Demon...

The RX-7 and the 'Vic have both already had their yearly tech by the Oregon PCA for autocross. They do a simple visual check (lugnuts, trunk empty, seatbelts work, tires good) on the yearly teched cars. Both cars are also in their online "system". So while normally showing up in a different car would cause a little delay, in this instance there was none.

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Reply #25
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Both cars are also in their online "system". So while normally showing up in a different car would cause a little delay, in this instance there was none.


If it were me, I'd make it a point to correct the snafu.....seeing as a car listed as an '87 RX7 smoked the "84".  That and random people who view it will see that a Vic went against Porsches.

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I still don't understand why everybody jumped me for my "guesstimation" when the Official Results weren't even out yet.


Because they weren't even REMOTELY close and you don't state that they were "unofficial" results until it was pointed out by someone else.
That coupled with your very first sentence typed makes it SOUND as if you placed higher. 

Innocent mistakes?  :poke:
It was misleading to say the least!

Perhaps your opening statement should have been:

Quote from: What should have been
Hey all!  Just got back from my first auto cross!  I had a blast!  Wish I had done better, but that will come in time.


Lastly
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How many of you bashed the snot out of carpimp over his paint job? Seriously take a gander at the "tone" of this site overall. I'm not the first person to point that out this year either...


Post in a public place expecting responses and you most likely will get them.  If they are not the type of response you want that is too bad...


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--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #26
I was gonna add to my previous post, but this belongs separately IMO:

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=19060

Quote from: P71
John and I both got 8 runs. The RX-7 ended up with a 44.795 best time (John got 43.887 in the GTO). [COLOR="Red"]We were smack in the middle of the pack[/COLOR][/B]


http://www.oregonpca.org/events/autocross/ax-results/2008-ax2/ax2-final-raw-time-results/

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44  NP 144  [COLOR="Red"]John Russell [/COLOR]2005 Pontiac GTO 43.887 0.044 7.502
45  NP 523  Kathy Averitt 1992 Honda CRX 44.112 0.225 7.727
46  P3 151  Jamie Nowlin 1969 Porche 911E 44.551 0.439 8.166
47  NP 10  Bill Helzer 1994 Mazda Miata 44.664 0.113 8.279
48  NP 143  Joshua Skinner 1996 Dodge Dakota 44.792 0.128 8.407
49  NP 83  [COLOR="Red"] Michael Pinto[/COLOR] 1984 Mazda RX-7 44.795 0.003 8.410
50  NP 50  Kimberly Beck 2006 Mazda Miata 48.133 3.338 11.748
51  NP 1117  Neal Stanley 2006 LRC 51.749 3.616 15.364
52  P3 6  Harry Danberg 1973 Porsche 911T DNS   
53  S2 46  Dave Kelley 2004 Porsche 996T DNS   
54  P3 75  Aaron Leeb 1988 Porsche 911 Targa DNS   
55  S1 7  Alan Meyer 2006 Porsche Cayman S DNS   
56  S1 711  Muriel Meyer 2006 Porsche Cayman S DNS   
57  P3 62  Scott Mills 1982 Porsche 911 SC DNS   
58  P5 13  Tom Pavlik 2001 Porsche Boxster S DNS   
59  M1 914  Trevor Turner-Rice 1974 Porsche 914-6 DNS   


2 separate occasion 3 weeks apart.  The same "guesstimations" to determine the outcome.  One would THINK after going through it once before, you would have some knowledge as to how it works and a better idea as to how you fared overall against the other competitors.  Again -- very misleading.  A trend.
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Reply #27
ouch
:cougarsmily:~Karen~

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Reply #28
:nkhk:


:rollin:

:nono:


:poke:
:poke:
:poke:
:poke:



:popcorn:


:deal:

:punchballs:
:toilet:


:shakeass:




:beatyoass: :beatyoass: :mullet:
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Reply #29
You forgot:








*just kidding man... couldn't resist these new ones I found.
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