4bangen no more? February 12, 2008, 05:16:18 PM I was talking to a friend who owns a machine shop. We where talking about the 455ci in my buick, and as it always happens when two gear heads are talking we got side tracked. We started talking about how poorly my TC ran this past sunday at the track. I told him about the thought I had of dropping the spare buick 455ci I have in there. Then I mentioned the on and off idea of a 460ci. He then told me what he thought I should do. He said and I quoate, "I can buil you a 347 stroker for less than a grand with about 400hp to the wheels, Thats what you should do."So what do ya'll think?455 buick2.3t347 strokeror 460? Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #1 – February 12, 2008, 05:27:25 PM Oh no here we go........:hick: Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #2 – February 12, 2008, 05:49:15 PM Quote from: ZondaC12;203761Oh no here we go........:hick:before the 4 vs. 8 argument starts up let me say the reson it ran bad this weekend was becouse I smoked the stock clutch my second pass. After that I couldnt leave hard. the reson I am thinking of ditching the 2.3 is becouse I want to run more than 600hp... eventualy, not right off the bat.:burnout: Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #3 – February 12, 2008, 05:54:21 PM I vote 347 stroker.But 400 HP for less than a grand? I wish I could get someone to give me a set of AFR 185's and a good hyd/roller cam for free! Not to mention a fuel system that will support 400 HP (again for free).In reality you'll be lucky to even get close to $3500 for a 400 hp 347. Heads and cam alone will cost you close to $1800. Fuel system even if carbed will run over $800. Then you've got headers, exhaust, all the miscellaneous swap items and general small parts... Oh, and dont forget that you'll need a new transmission. I'm thinkin the swap from start to finish where you end up with a running car putting 400 hp to the wheels on a dyno will probably cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $6000 to $8000... probably more!Good luck, and have a nice day:) Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #4 – February 12, 2008, 06:08:08 PM When the guy who is doing all the machine work, and putting all the bits together owes you a favor, and gets all the parts at caust; I see it as doable.right now I'm leaning more tward the 455(if it will fit.) 510ft lbs of torque out of a motor that waighs 150lbs less than a cheby 454 sounds kinda fun, and I've never seen it done before. Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #5 – February 12, 2008, 06:08:45 PM and thank you, I will have a nice day;) Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #6 – February 12, 2008, 07:03:19 PM I voted 347 stroker, its a ford keep it that way just my 2 cents. Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #8 – February 12, 2008, 08:30:37 PM I would do a 408 or 427......my suggestion Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #9 – February 12, 2008, 08:47:36 PM believe me, building a 347 ends up being more then you think. a good strocker rotating assembly is about 1000. then machine work. you cant run stock heads, at least and not make any power. theres 1200 or so in decent heads. cam , lifters and u really should get roller rockers, idk, 500-600-ish. carbed or fuel injected? for a grand, i'm betting carburated, but still thats intake and carb. better fuel pump. you'll need an exhaust or you'll choke that engine.simply put, this is no 1000 buildyou could half ass it and maybe built a $1500-2000 or so build up if you buy mostly off EBAY, know a machinist, and stuff your bra and show a lil ass... then maybe you could pull off a cheap build. but then you'll be closer to a 300hp engine and loose some reliabily Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #10 – February 12, 2008, 08:58:38 PM Is that $1K installed? If you can drop off your car at a shop, show up later with 10 Franklins and drive away, I'd say go for it.If not, I vote for something not on your list, a TT SBF using a couple turbos from TCs, either IHIs or T3s. You can source most of the other parts you need from the junkyard/ebay/owners, save your money for important things like pistons, rings, and fabrication.That said, since you smoked the clutch with the 2.3T, sounds like the last thing you need right now is a more powerful motor. Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #11 – February 13, 2008, 02:52:28 AM there are plenty more v8 thundercats than turbo 4s. getcha a v6 or v8 to put the stroker in. Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #12 – February 13, 2008, 09:31:14 AM Somehow, I doubt that guy could build you a 347 stroker for $1000, even buying parts "at cost."MAYBE if he was just supplying the rotating assembly... Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #13 – February 13, 2008, 09:34:36 AM Quote from: 4bangen;203766the reson I am thinking of ditching the 2.3 is becouse I want to run more than 600hp... eventualy, not right off the bat.:burnout:Buy a Sport. That's what they're for. You know how I voted, I'm sure. Quote Selected
4bangen no more? Reply #14 – February 13, 2008, 12:08:52 PM Quote from: Red_LX;203880Somehow, I doubt that guy could build you a 347 stroker for $1000, even buying parts "at cost."MAYBE if he was just supplying the rotating assembly...I have the 5.0l core for the 347. He's going to provide the parts at caust, and do all the head work, balancing and assembly for free.I dont see why no one can belive that I can get it done for that price. It's not what you know its who you know. I know I'm going to need exaust, and headers, and such. But thats all easy to get ahold of as long as I dont get in a hurry. I may stick with the 2.3l The same guy is willing to port and pollish the spare head I have, he will also hook up my 100hp shot wet kit for me (I've never done n2o before so I want someone with a little know how to do it.I dont want a sport becouse I already have all the good stuff in the TC, so why buy a car that I'd have to upgrade to get to where I already am? This is all cloud talk for now anyway. I wouldnt be doing anything for a few months anyway. Right now I'm working on getting my 72 buick running. Then I'll deside on the bird. Quote Selected
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