loss of oil pressure.

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loss of oil pressure.

Reply #15 – August 04, 2007, 08:54:51 PM

jcassity...I've dealt with this exact process on a 2.3T....the pan does not come out while the engine is still in the car. the bell/trans was resting on the trans tunnel lifting the car...and the pan still would not come out. It might be possible on another configuration...but not on a 2.3T in a Fox. BTDT.

If you pull a K-member, you have to make sure it's aligned in the chassis again, od the alignment will be off. There is ALOT of play in locating it back in the car once it's pulled. You need to align it fore and aft as well as side-to-side.

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Reply #16 – August 04, 2007, 11:14:41 PM

Quote from: turboranger91;165697

you've obviously never pulled a 2.3. take my truck for instance... 91 ranger w/2.3turbo... 7 harness plugs, 2 motor mount bolts, and 8 bell housing bolts. that's it. i've pulled that motor in about 40 minutes.

why did you ask then? :D
Please explain how i made it so freaking obvious to you that your SO SPECIAL engine that you seem to think is SO DIFFERENT from any other engine installs and pulls differntly from other motors.

If you so good then get to it already and save your talking down to me reward of how i obviously dont do this or that. For the record, pulling any engine is just like the one before, you just forgot to mention the below because for some odd reason you wanted to vent on someone. Vent elsewhere. I take tiem to type away for no better reason than to answer questions that i feel could be helpful,, been doing it for a long while and we all develop opinions and techniques to save time. If you want to do it one way, thats up to you. I still dont understand why you posted the thread if you already know it all.:flame:

what were your plans for the following connections you forgot to mention? you gonna hope they hop out of the engine bay by themselves.
exhaust
two or three heater hoses
two radiator hoses
the radiator
the fan and hardware
the shroud and hardware
the various assorted vac hoses
power steering / hoses/ brackets
ac / hoses/brackets
starter
also your plans on what to do with the motor once its out

Chuck
im the one whos suppose to not know how to read,,,, you know "west virginia",, i never said the pan would come out.

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Reply #17 – August 04, 2007, 11:43:09 PM

Quote from: jcassity;166074

why did you ask then? :D
Please explain how i made it so freaking obvious to you that your SO SPECIAL engine that you seem to think is SO DIFFERENT from any other engine installs and pulls differntly from other motors.

If you so good then get to it already and save your talking down to me reward of how i obviously dont do this or that. For the record, pulling any engine is just like the one before, you just forgot to mention the below because for some odd reason you wanted to vent on someone. Vent elsewhere. I take tiem to type away for no better reason than to answer questions that i feel could be helpful,, been doing it for a long while and we all develop opinions and techniques to save time. If you want to do it one way, thats up to you. I still dont understand why you posted the thread if you already know it all.:flame:

what were your plans for the following connections you forgot to mention? you gonna hope they hop out of the engine bay by themselves.
exhaust
two or three heater hoses
two radiator hoses
the radiator
the fan and hardware
the shroud and hardware
the various assorted vac hoses
power steering / hoses/ brackets
ac / hoses/brackets
starter
also your plans on what to do with the motor once its out

Chuck
im the one whos suppose to not know how to read,,,, you know "west virginia",, i never said the pan would come out.

first off, i wasn't talking down to anyone. you said there was no engine that would "quickly" come out, and i pointed out the fact that the one in my ranger comes out very quickly. if i forgot to mention a couple miscellaneous line, it's only because all of what you mention can be disconnected in less then 10 minutes.

as i'm sure you know, the engine bay and trans tunnel are different. i know that i have to pull the motor in the ranger in order to pull the pan... especially since it's got the I beam front suspension. i've never tried getting into the pan from the bottom side of a t bird, so i wasn't sure... that's why i made the thead, not because i was baiting you so i could talk down to you.

look, i'm not here for drama.... i've got a wife for that. i'm here to share my knowledge and gain some from others about cars that we all love, shoot the shiznit, and meet some new people. i didn't mean to come off condecending... if i did, i'm sorry.

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Reply #18 – August 05, 2007, 12:12:12 AM

ok,, well your talking yourself in circles,,you can do all that in 10minutes? you have time mangment issues. It took you two and a half days to find a loose sending unit and 40 min to pull the motor.

ive never dont this and that only to find out you've never been under your car. I could give two rats ass about a ranger but,,,,,,,being as i know nothing about them
here is a real good site you might enjoy. Click on tech library then troll around.

http://www.therangerstation.com
lots of good info for your ranger there.

one thing is good, you found the problem. I like it when it turns out to be something simple.

I would have never guessed the sending unit at all cause you said the top end was noisy anyway. Lucky for you now, it was a simple problem and i hope it continues to run well for you trouble free.

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Reply #19 – August 05, 2007, 12:33:44 AM

Quote from: jcassity;166096

ok,, well your talking yourself in circles,,you can do all that in 10minutes? you have time mangment issues. It took you two and a half days to find a loose sending unit and 40 min to pull the motor.

ive never dont this and that only to find out you've never been under your car. I could give two rats ass about a ranger but,,,,,,,being as i know nothing about them
here is a real good site you might enjoy. Click on tech library then troll around.

http://www.therangerstation.com
lots of good info for your ranger there.

one thing is good, you found the problem. I like it when it turns out to be something simple.

I would have never guessed the sending unit at all cause you said the top end was noisy anyway. Lucky for you now, it was a simple problem and i hope it continues to run well for you trouble free.

i'm not talking myself in circles. i didn't work on the car at all the day that i made this thread. i parked it that night and didn't touch it at all yesterday. i got started on it around noon today. the reason i've never been under the car is that i just brought it home from ohio last week... i JUST bought the car. why is you feel the need to continue to argue over little shiznit, when i've alread said my peace... AND apologized. quit being an ass. i appreciate your input, but enough is enough.

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Reply #20 – August 05, 2007, 12:39:26 AM

1. You all have bad grammar.
2. Scott you didn't mention the harness. Big headache if you forget it.
3. You should always pull the motor. Gives you an excuse to modify. :)

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Reply #21 – August 05, 2007, 01:32:56 AM

Quote from: CougarSE;166104

2. Scott you didn't mention the harness. Big headache if you forget it.
:)

why would i mention something already mentioned previously:D

turboranger91
if your good to go,, i am but dont you start in with name calling and suddely resurerect something i let go. I guess what im trying to say is your comment wasnt appreciated and you replied with your regret, Ok,, no problem. I accept and no biggie. Im not really in a position to return the favor as i dont think i said anything out of line.

generally i say what i mean ,,,,,,and ......mean what i say. Its a quality im proud of.

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Reply #22 – August 05, 2007, 01:43:14 AM

Quote from: jcassity;166117

why would i mention something already mentioned previously:D

turboranger91
if your good to go,, i am but dont you start in with name calling and suddely resurerect something i let go. I guess what im trying to say is your comment wasnt appreciated and you replied with your regret, Ok,, no problem. I accept and no biggie. Im not really in a position to return the favor as i dont think i said anything out of line.

generally i say what i mean ,,,,,,and ......mean what i say. Its a quality im proud of.

what are you talking about about? resurecting something you let go? what would that be? you come in and offer your advice, said there was no quick engine extraction, and when i disagree with you and your worldly wisdom, you cop an attitude. THAT wasn't appreciated. now that you're acting like an ass hole, and trying to act like a hard ass, i'm the bad guy. i fail to see your logic. the car is tentatively fixed. let's let this go. if you can be a big boy and do that... or we can continue to go back and forth on this.

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Reply #23 – August 05, 2007, 02:17:04 AM

as for your secondary problem,,did you ever get an oil presure reading? Just curious cause you might be right on track anyway for a motor pull if the pump does not fix it,,,,,,,,,,,,or just reinstall a high volume pump as a bandaid till you can rebuild.

sounds like you got the presure thing under control though and thats good. A noisy top end might just be an indication its time to switch up to a different viscosity oil until you can plan out a rebuild as well. As long as no bottom end noise happens, you might get a way with this motor for a while.

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Reply #24 – August 05, 2007, 02:32:21 AM

Quote from: jcassity;166122

as for your secondary problem,,did you ever get an oil presure reading? Just curious cause you might be right on track anyway for a motor pull if the pump does not fix it,,,,,,,,,,,,or just reinstall a high volume pump as a bandaid till you can rebuild.

sounds like you got the presure thing under control though and thats good. A noisy top end might just be an indication its time to switch up to a different viscosity oil until you can plan out a rebuild as well. As long as no bottom end noise happens, you might get a way with this motor for a while.

well, it's making enough pressure to keep it alive, but honestly not enough for my liking. it read 40psi on initial startup, but then dropped to around 35psi. the motor in the ranger makes 60psi on startup and drops to about 50psi once it's warm. i do think that i need to put a higher viscosity oil in it. i was thinking 20w50... that's what i've always run in the ranger and never had any problem with it.

i've been jacking with these motors for quite some time now (probably close to 8 years), so i do know a thing or two about them. one of the things you learn early on is that they are noisy little s.

i would like to pull the motor anyway and throw some new rings and bearings on it just for the hell of it, and while i'm in there, i'll replace the oil pump. honestly though, i think the screen on the pickup might be clogged up... it's a very common thing.

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Reply #25 – August 05, 2007, 02:57:28 AM

or you could check the oil return path on either end of the head with a s piece of ac wire like maybe what i used,, my gun cleaning kit.
maybe your sucking the pan empty with a slow return path.

one other thing i found on engine castings that botherd me was allen fittings along the exterior of the block along the oil journals. when i took mine out , inoticed the casting on tle driver head which would deliver oil to the lifters would be nearly chocked off with the plug installed. There was extra meat there that i felt restricted flow.
Comparing that to the right head as well as the center fitting for the cam made me wonder how much each motor can differ cause of extra casting on small ports.

I use a pipe cleaner kit to wash out the crank ports also followed by some air presure on the far end of the crank. Ill run a beed of electrical tape over the main and rod hournals,, then starting from the the far main with air, i will remove the first journal and add air,, remove the next journals tape and add more air moving backwards.

theres so much extra casting in some very odd places.

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Reply #26 – August 05, 2007, 03:14:43 AM

i'll keep that in mind next time i tear into her.

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Reply #27 – August 05, 2007, 11:59:01 PM

I have no idea what the hell just went on here.

jcassity, what is the issue??? I never said anything about you not being able to read....

He asked about the 2.3 and I gave him my personal experience with the EXACT situation. I dealt with not dropping the pan, but it was a PITA, especially when it came to reinstall the oil pan gasket. I wasn't comparing it to a 302, or a 3.8.......I was dealing with an oil pump swap in a 2.3T Fox car while in the car. Which I have personally done. You have minimal working room as the pan only drops so far.

It takes no time to pull a 2.3. I didn't do it at the time when I did mine because I didn't have the hoist, so I dealt with the situtation.

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Reply #28 – August 06, 2007, 08:27:11 AM

Quote from: Chuck W;166315

I have no idea what the hell just went on here.

jcassity, what is the issue??? I never said anything about you not being able to read....

He asked about the 2.3 and I gave him my personal experience with the EXACT situation. I dealt with not dropping the pan, but it was a PITA, especially when it came to reinstall the oil pan gasket. I wasn't comparing it to a 302, or a 3.8.......I was dealing with an oil pump swap in a 2.3T Fox car while in the car. Which I have personally done. You have minimal working room as the pan only drops so far.

It takes no time to pull a 2.3. I didn't do it at the time when I did mine because I didn't have the hoist, so I dealt with the situtation.

i think this whole thread was one big misunderstanding.

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Reply #29 – August 06, 2007, 09:49:03 AM

Quote from: turboranger91;166347

i think this whole thread was one big misunderstanding.

Probably... Time to kiss and make up...:D

As far as noisy, all the noisy ones I've owned(14TCs and at least 20 NA 2.3s), had problems... Number one top end noise maker is a worn cam, very common with poor maintance... Older(70s) NA 2.3s would often bust the skirt on the #1 piston...

I've never pulled the pan on a 2.3 T-bird, but have on a '86 Mustang... Luckily I had access to a lift, but basically it was a piece of cake... Jacked up the engine as far as I could, and managed to work the pan past the bottom of the bellhousing... Slapped in a set of rod bearings, reused the original gasket and it ran another 5-6 years... Total cost was less than $10, plus oil and filter...