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306 swap in work

Reply #16
those are BIG exhaust valves!
1979 Ford Fairmont
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5.0L/4R70W/8.8"/5-lug/3" Exhuast


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Reply #17
I dont know what you need honestly, But I am sure chucks would fix them. I think those are the half that bolt to the block. Another half bolts to the k-member.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

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Reply #18
i think tom answered my question,, i may need to locate the upper bracket that mounts to the engine.  Im coming off the block with a piece of 1/2 flat steel and landing on my mount. 

This works out great with my big ass oil pan , i think ill have 5/8'' clearance.  It works against me with my 82 mustang high rise intake and what i have on top of it.  Motor may be stitting too high by an inch.

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Reply #19
Quote from: jcassity
Guys,, are these the motor mount block brakets you all are talking about?

johns331 pic,,,,,,,, been researching cardomain sites.


Yup... 'dats 'dem

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Reply #20
Tom,,
are those brackets with your mounts you have?

if not,, can anyone tell me the offset the upper has from the block to the mount.  It looks like no more than an inch to me.

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Reply #21
Yup I have the complete set... I measure approx 7/8" drop

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Reply #22
update,,,,,,,,,hope to have pics soon,,,,,,,,sorry

pls see page one for my setup so you can underand my questions.

now, for you motorheads out there, i got some tech stuff i need help with so i make the correct selection in material based on what i am doing.

as i mentioned, i removed the highrise 4bbl intake/carb in trade for an older Aluminum 2bbl high rise with the following casting number,, RF-E2ZE-9425-CA.  Apparently this was for a mustang with an EEC controled carb.  The EGR plate is made into the intake and of course thats gonna get blocked off.
**One thing i found on this intake that pissed me off was the mounting surface of a carb or CFI.  The surface is not level.  Its lower in the front half,, im like,,wtf!!!.  I wont ever be able to sit a super charger one day unless i get it level so my drive pully isnt pen 15eyed.  The SC will hopefully come later on but that will take some doing.

#1 ENOUGH AIR?
The intake measures up to be approx 42mm (@ 1.7'') per bank so is 84mm worth of intake air good enough for my 2bbl setup?

#2 Which Injectors?
Since my 5.0 CFI did not measure up to my liking on air flow:giggle: , i decided to break the CFI in half and only use the upper half.  I am mounting the trottle linkage / approx 43mm butterfies right in the intake.  This lowers the profile of my intake and thats what i was after.  Since i have 42mmx2 worth of bore on my intake compared to the size of my intake valves,, what injectors should i use?
I have at my disposal several..
E0SE-A2A injectors, 46#/hr. (blue)
E3VE-A1A injectors, 37#/hr. (green)
F65E-A4a--(Gray)-- i do not know what specs these are but came on a 4.2L _help on these ,specs and such.
I feel i might be best off with TC 56# or 64# (blue or green) inectors.
I can only have two injectors so which type based on my setup?

4 DIZZY
I got my dizzy for 20bux from a mid 80's towncar,, my stock EEC should work with this dizzy , correct?  The 87 EEC pin outs for the v6 and the V8 with reguard to the TFI are the same from what i can see.

5 Intake
Am i correct on the origination of this intake? RF-E2ZE-9425-CA?


As for headers,, i got a farily new set for 20bux (mustang shorties) and i cant really see what all the hoopla is about them.  As far as i can tell, they are gonna restrict my airflow since my ports are a lil larger with the 289 heads.  Its more like the headers are gonna give me some back presure more than anything,,,BUT,,,, atleast there is plenty of room for bolts!!! which i like compared to headman.

BTW,,as for my sped 4.2 project, the 4.2L had a stock 64mm trottle body if that means anything to anyone.

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Reply #23
As for the dizzy, It depends on what year it is. When the 5.0's got roller rockers they got a diffrent cam too. I think the gears are the same, but I dont have anything pre 86 5.0's so I cant tell you for sure. If it was an 86 up, I would dare say that yes it will work.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

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Reply #24
Quote from: Haystack
As for the dizzy, It depends on what year it is. When the 5.0's got roller rockers they got a diffrent cam too. I think the gears are the same, but I dont have anything pre 86 5.0's so I cant tell you for sure. If it was an 86 up, I would dare say that yes it will work.

5.0's didn't get roller rockers, they got roller lifters..
 
The cam gear for the distributor is different between the flat tappet cam and the roller cam.
One 88

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Reply #25
i see you have meny questions

and i have questions for you too

check your P/M's


Nick
Quote
there's only about a half a dozen man made objects that are herd by the human ear below 40Hz,a pipe organ,thunder,the space shuttle lifting off,a jet airplane taking off or landing,a large canon,an atomic bomb ignited in your back yard and the heat wave afterward oh wait you would be dead so you would'nt hear it scratch that!,and maybe beating your hear against a wall less then 40 times a second..rap music is'nt one of them!thats 40-60Hz@100+db the moving air is under 40Hz

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Reply #26
Quote from: CougarSE
5.0's didn't get roller rockers, they got roller lifters..
 
The cam gear for the distributor is different between the flat tappet cam and the roller cam.


oops, that is what I ment. Thanks for clearing that up.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

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Reply #27
Scott I have an idea for you.... why dont you convert to EFI, but do it out of the mainstream....
 
Trucks use an ecu that is batch fire.. two injector drivers... your harness now is setup for two injector drivers. You could simply snip the injector harness out of a truck and wire it to the injector harness on your car. might be a few pins to change here and there... but I think it would be a cool thing to try ,,,, and it would work much better than the cfi setup.
 
Just use a truck ecu.
One 88

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Reply #28
i have considered a couple things and i am going to port out the 82HO intake.  The runners are sufficient enough for me as i dont wanna experiment around with my otherone with the carb on it.

as you can see, i plan on using only the upper half of the cfi since it already has all the adaptable / funcional parts on it so its only a matter of making a little figure 8 shaped gasket.

i have to tweek around with some butterly sizes and whatnot but thats gonna happen here in a few.  the only downer i can see is that im not going with the much much larger intake. 

A couple pics illustrate my need to do some fat removal on the intake ports to help them come closer to my 1'' x 1.940 head intake ports.  I will approch those deminsions on my HO intake but not match perfectly.  My HO runners get very wide rather quickly as i feel up in the intake and looking at them fromt the top.  I will focus on the horizontal portions of the ports first then tweek either vertical side to gain air flow.


I still dont know which injectors to use.