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HO exhaust question..

I'm still in the middle of my engine rebuild and things are coming along fairly smoothly if a little slow because I have other things going on.  Now obviously I'd like to get more performance out of this engine so I've been planning modifications along the way that will bring it closer to the HO standard and perhaps substantially beyond in the future.  But given my budget these are the changes I'm making right now:

-E7 heads off a 1990 Bronco w/351
-Mustang HO camshaft
-Set of underdrive pullies

The camshaft is certainly the most noteable change and the one that worrries me a little.  In reading the tech articles at Coolcats I noted that a HO engine requires dual exhaust to function correctly.  Now mine isn't actually going to be HO...yet.  Still has the stock 2BL carb and manifolds for the time being.  And the dual exhaust setup is in fact next on my list of things to do in say 2 months maybe.  But in the meantime is mating that cam with the stock exhaust system going to give me any considerable trouble?  Because if it will I'd just as soon leave the car layed up and get to the exhaust system when I can.
1983 Thunderbird-302 HO, Holley 650 CFM 4150 DP, Weiand Stealth Intake, Dual-Snorkel Air Cleaner,  Holley Fuel Pump, Procomp HEI Distributor, B&M Holeshot 2400 Converter, Custom 2 1/4 duals with no cats and BBK shorties, Taurus Fan Conversion, FMS Grill, much more to come....


"In the future, I plan on taking more of an active role in the decisions I make" - Paris Hilton

Re: HO exhaust question..

Reply #1
Running the stock exhaust isn't going to be too detrimental to your combination but it is going to be a bottleneck that is worth getting rid of...you won't be able to take full advantage of those heads and the HO cam with a stock exhaust.
Project 3G: Grandpa Grocery Getter-'85 Crown Vic LTD 2-door, 351W with heavily ported/polished GT40 heads, heavily ported/polished Typhoon Power Plus upper & lower intake, Comp Cams 265DEH retarded 1*, FAST EZ-EFI, HD T5, 8.8" 3.73 trac lock with extra clutches, 3G alt. swap, '99 CVPI front brakes, '09 CVPI rear disc brakes, '00 CVPI booster&m/c + wilwood adj prop valve.

Parted & Gone-'88 T-bird Sport, 351W swap, ported GT40 heads

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Reply #2
Figured as much.  But as long as the car will be driveable I can worry about the exhaust later.  I'm looking forward to getting those aftermarket headers I've been dreaming about  :D
1983 Thunderbird-302 HO, Holley 650 CFM 4150 DP, Weiand Stealth Intake, Dual-Snorkel Air Cleaner,  Holley Fuel Pump, Procomp HEI Distributor, B&M Holeshot 2400 Converter, Custom 2 1/4 duals with no cats and BBK shorties, Taurus Fan Conversion, FMS Grill, much more to come....


"In the future, I plan on taking more of an active role in the decisions I make" - Paris Hilton

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Reply #3
It will be driveable...I wouldn't expect blistering performance though. You could actually get some hesitation which has been reported to me by others running the factory exhaust manifolds. And it won't sound very bloody good either. But it will work for the time being. For the few bucks and wide availability of the factory Mustang headers, it's not really much of an argument to keep the stock manifolds though.

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Reply #4
Unfortunately one of the manifolds I have is fused to the pipe with decayed bolts.  I don't really feel like messing with that until I'm prepared to cut out the whole system pipes and all.
1983 Thunderbird-302 HO, Holley 650 CFM 4150 DP, Weiand Stealth Intake, Dual-Snorkel Air Cleaner,  Holley Fuel Pump, Procomp HEI Distributor, B&M Holeshot 2400 Converter, Custom 2 1/4 duals with no cats and BBK shorties, Taurus Fan Conversion, FMS Grill, much more to come....


"In the future, I plan on taking more of an active role in the decisions I make" - Paris Hilton

Re: HO exhaust question..

Reply #5
it wont *harm* the engine, but you will be lacking performance big time, the stock exhaust on these cars isnt enough for the factory engines
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Reply #6
It wont be any slower then it was before. And he is going to upgrade just not now.
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I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
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Re: HO exhaust question..

Reply #7
Are we talking...less performance than it had before?
1983 Thunderbird-302 HO, Holley 650 CFM 4150 DP, Weiand Stealth Intake, Dual-Snorkel Air Cleaner,  Holley Fuel Pump, Procomp HEI Distributor, B&M Holeshot 2400 Converter, Custom 2 1/4 duals with no cats and BBK shorties, Taurus Fan Conversion, FMS Grill, much more to come....


"In the future, I plan on taking more of an active role in the decisions I make" - Paris Hilton

Re: HO exhaust question..

Reply #8
You'll probably be short 20-25 hp since your car is an 83'. But it's definetly not going to kill you to run the factory single. I ran a factory single on my 86 blue max for almost a year when I converted it to H.O with a .060 over 5.0L (It was the exhaust off of my '85 5.0L cougar) before getting duals. The older 5.0L cars have a better single exhaust than the EFI ones. It was a noticable change, but the car definelty had more low-end with the factory single. Afterall, a 2001 and newer 4.6 can make 239 hp through a 20' long 2.25" single exhaust and 260 through the mustang's dual setup. So on our 225 hp 5.0L, you're not going to be doing any harm for the time being, especially if your car is an '85 or older
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Re: HO exhaust question..

Reply #9
Didn't see your post Haystack.  That's all I really want to know for now.  I'd hate to do all this work and then limp around for a few months.  And for Mercoug302, yeah I've got some considerable planning to do on that new exhaust system.  I don't want to lose low-end, low-end is my bread and butter.  I love it when I stomp on the gas and the car bucks and rips up some ground :D I know that smaller diamter pipes are better for that sort of application.  I'll work it out I guess.
1983 Thunderbird-302 HO, Holley 650 CFM 4150 DP, Weiand Stealth Intake, Dual-Snorkel Air Cleaner,  Holley Fuel Pump, Procomp HEI Distributor, B&M Holeshot 2400 Converter, Custom 2 1/4 duals with no cats and BBK shorties, Taurus Fan Conversion, FMS Grill, much more to come....


"In the future, I plan on taking more of an active role in the decisions I make" - Paris Hilton