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5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #45
and im over here thinking,, add a miniature adjustable bleed off valve inline with the map if you want a tad more power

and let the flames begin,,,

Major Tom,,,
can you be a tad more decent to stacks,,, seriously,, he's a good guy.  bad / good info is its own thing.  its not what your saying, its how your saying it.

oh well, just asking if you can lower the altitude.

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #46
Quote from: jcassity;429736

Major Tom,,,
can you be a tad more decent to stacks,,, seriously,, he's a good guy.  bad / good info is its own thing.  its not what your saying, its how your saying it.

oh well, just asking if you can lower the altitude.


You're askin Renzo not to be a ASS HOLE????

Bwahahah, yea right...

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #47
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;429728
In a nut shell, a small vac leak in SD EFI system will cause a lean condition, IF that leak is at the MAP sensor or line connected to it, system will be very rich as the MAP mostly determines the amount of load in these systems by monitoring vac level... Low vac at MAP = heavy load, system increases injector pulse... This is also why you can't run a long duration cam with these systems as vac will be low...

In a MAF system the MAP becomes a baro sensor(no vac connected to it), any leak past the MAF meter will cause a lean condition...

Of course the systems can adapt if something isn't grossly out of order...


As far as throwing parts at it, Ford says fix the FIRST code given and then retest, if there are additional codes address those after first is fixed... Probably 95% of the time this procedure works...

So didn't Haystack mention this in post #15 ?
As soon as Tom Renzo jumps into a thread and starts being a "BIG SHOT" that's when it get confusing and off track !!!
There is no need for his BS !!!
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5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #48
Ok Jay i got it!!!
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #49
We butt heads sometimes, but the point of this thread is to help the op, so lets get this thread back on track instead of arguing semantics. I really think that me and tom would get along well in real life, but its easy to act tough online and things are easily mis.construed until no one knows what's really going on.

Let us know when you can pull codes and exactly what comes up 86.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #50
I'll try sometime this week I just had a death in the family so it my be a few days but as soon as I pull the codes I will let y'all know what I find
First car I owned an wish I wasnt so Young a Dumb
86-TBird 5.0 SO Pretty much original
GOT TO LOVE A FOUR EYE
81-F250- 7.5 460
73- closed camber heads w/ studs
Bored 30 over
528 lift voodoo can
1.73 roller rockers
PLAY TRUCK
11' KIA SORENTO (WIFES CAR)
96' SL2 SATREN 250000+ MILES DD

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #51
we are all sorry for your loss,,, I hope all goes as well as can be expected.

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #52
Thanks you all
Well I still haven't it to running the codes on the car pulled upper intake to replace valve cover gaskets an run out of time to put it back on I am going to work on it this Friday when I start my 7 day vacation from work But I also found out that the part I replaced on the distributor is most likely the problem but as soon as I get it put together I am running codes an letting ya know
First car I owned an wish I wasnt so Young a Dumb
86-TBird 5.0 SO Pretty much original
GOT TO LOVE A FOUR EYE
81-F250- 7.5 460
73- closed camber heads w/ studs
Bored 30 over
528 lift voodoo can
1.73 roller rockers
PLAY TRUCK
11' KIA SORENTO (WIFES CAR)
96' SL2 SATREN 250000+ MILES DD

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #53
Running codes takes less time then it took you to get tools out to pull your intake...
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #54
Well I could just do a koeo test some but somewhere along the lines of doing the test on a car with most sensors unplugged (upper intake is on work bench along with the dist) just don't sound like a real good way to do test but I'm just saying
First car I owned an wish I wasnt so Young a Dumb
86-TBird 5.0 SO Pretty much original
GOT TO LOVE A FOUR EYE
81-F250- 7.5 460
73- closed camber heads w/ studs
Bored 30 over
528 lift voodoo can
1.73 roller rockers
PLAY TRUCK
11' KIA SORENTO (WIFES CAR)
96' SL2 SATREN 250000+ MILES DD

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #55
Your time and money. I just hate replacing sensors and money on things that aren't broke.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #56
Quote from: Haystack;430663
Running codes takes less time then it took you to get tools out to pull your intake...

Quote from: 86TBIRD;430710
Well I could just do a koeo test some but somewhere along the lines of doing the test on a car with most sensors unplugged (upper intake is on work bench along with the dist) just don't sound like a real good way to do test but I'm just saying

What Haystack meant is that it would have taken you less than 5 minutes to pull codes before you pulled your intake to replace parts willy nilly. It takes more than 5 minutes to pull the upper intake. A paper clip and you would have been all set: http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,2471.0.html
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #57
The only reason I pulled the intake was to replace the valve cover gaskets because they were starting to leak not to replace ANY THING ELSE an I'm planing on putting it all back together this weekend to run test an go from there an thank you all for your advice y'all have been a great help
First car I owned an wish I wasnt so Young a Dumb
86-TBird 5.0 SO Pretty much original
GOT TO LOVE A FOUR EYE
81-F250- 7.5 460
73- closed camber heads w/ studs
Bored 30 over
528 lift voodoo can
1.73 roller rockers
PLAY TRUCK
11' KIA SORENTO (WIFES CAR)
96' SL2 SATREN 250000+ MILES DD

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #58
OK finally got codes
KOEO- 34,85,10,18,22
KOER- 8,21,34
I swapped out dist for a good one an the little black plug on the wireing for the dist I had it unplugged to retime the car an everything was running great then I plunged it back in an the car died an I had to unplug it to do the KOER test could that piece be the problem or is it a step in the right direction thanks for yall's help
First car I owned an wish I wasnt so Young a Dumb
86-TBird 5.0 SO Pretty much original
GOT TO LOVE A FOUR EYE
81-F250- 7.5 460
73- closed camber heads w/ studs
Bored 30 over
528 lift voodoo can
1.73 roller rockers
PLAY TRUCK
11' KIA SORENTO (WIFES CAR)
96' SL2 SATREN 250000+ MILES DD

5.0 so running rich (help!!!!!)

Reply #59
Oldfuelinjection.com is down... gimme a minute and ill find a source for pulled codes for you.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com