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Reply #15 – June 04, 2012, 10:35:30 AM

There are a few gas stations here localy that advertize pure gasoline. They run about 10 cents a gallon higher.

Tom, is there any way to format flex fuel pumps into these older cars?

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Reply #16 – June 04, 2012, 11:20:51 AM

It's not the pump's function to to compensate for the different stoichiometric ratio (that's in the ecm and ignition, etc), rather, it's what the pump, the seals, and all the parts that come in contact with 85% ethanol are made of. Ethanol is more corrosive than gas, so different plastics have to be used.
My wife had an '02 S10, it was Flex Fuel. Right after I met her, the fuel pump went out, and I put a new one in. 450 bucks.

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Reply #17 – June 04, 2012, 11:23:36 AM

Here's another thought to worry over: alcohol draws water. A tank sitting around with any kind of opening, no matter how small, will attract moisture if not tightly sealed.

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Reply #18 – June 04, 2012, 11:33:56 AM

I thought the 10 percent min, was only applicable to 87 octane fuels. Around here there are a few stations that sell premium 90, stated on the pump as "no ethanol".

KS isnt even required to post on the pumps the ethanol content or if there is any. Other than E85.

This ethanol me off, I only burn a tank ever month or 2, but I dont like it sitting in the tank.

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Reply #19 – June 04, 2012, 12:03:27 PM

Great info guys. I am stuck for words on this. But i visited my buddy over at the POWER shop and he tells me the blend is over15%in our area. He has a due hickey to test the fuel. This fuel is playing havoc on his equipment as well. I am researching pumps as we speak. NONE OF THE PUMPS SAY THEY ARE ALCOHOL COMPATIBLE. I find this strange with the fuels they blend today. Thanks for the info Guys i appreciate you time and knowledge on this subject. Needless to say i am very concerned over the fuels for the older vehicles. Thanks Tom

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Reply #20 – June 04, 2012, 01:11:40 PM

I think the 10% is the maximum amount allowed in my state. Any more and dead cars would start lining the sides of the road. Its pretty much garbage. They dont put it in marine or aviation fuel. Really shouldn't be running it in anything in my opinion. Im sure the material being stripped from the rubber in the pump and lines isnt doing the injectors and valves any favors.

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Reply #21 – June 04, 2012, 03:58:04 PM

Quote from: TOM Renzo;391478

NONE OF THE PUMPS SAY THEY ARE ALCOHOL COMPATIBLE. I find this strange with the fuels they blend today. Thanks for the info Guys i appreciate you time and knowledge on this subject. Needless to say i am very concerned over the fuels for the older vehicles. Thanks Tom

Just another way to get rid of our old POS cars. Make you change the fuel pump every year. Assholes.

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Reply #22 – June 04, 2012, 09:20:24 PM

82 i have actually considered this as a viable answer. Example my state still does asm25-25 emission testing on 95 and down vehicles, And my state slashed the emission levels in half on these cars, As the matter of fact the test numbers for older cars and OBD1 vehicles are twice as strict as when they were built. My state has personal property tax on cars every year. One can figure that older cars dont bring in TAX DOLLARS. I firmly believe this is part tof the problem and i believe it is a definite PLOT TO GET RID OF OLD CARS!! Thanks

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Reply #23 – June 04, 2012, 10:16:05 PM

Wow I thought it was bad here!!!! NY tends to follow right in the footsteps of CA in a lot of things, or so it's said. It's honestly pretty easy to do what you want with your car as long as it's not OBD II. Downstate they JUST recently eliminated "high-enhanced" emissions testing or whatever it's called, where it was the same thing, near NYC if it was a '95 or older, it would get chassis dyno'd and sniffed. Around here just about anything older than 2000 is starting to rot, another five years? Plenty of total rustbuckets already by that point...

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Reply #24 – June 04, 2012, 10:19:54 PM

Quote from: TOM Renzo;391514

82 i have actually considered this as a viable answer. Example my state still does asm25-25 emission testing on 95 and down vehicles, And my state slashed the emission levels in half on these cars, As the matter of fact the test numbers for older cars and OBD1 vehicles are twice as strict as when they were built. My state has personal property tax on cars every year. One can figure that older cars dont bring in TAX DOLLARS. I firmly believe this is part tof the problem and i believe it is a definite PLOT TO GET RID OF OLD CARS!! Thanks

What state do you live in? I think I'd move, I couldn't deal with that sort of oppression.

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Reply #25 – June 05, 2012, 12:01:49 AM

Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;391470

It's not the pump's function to to compensate for the different stoichiometric ratio (that's in the ecm and ignition, etc), rather, it's what the pump, the seals, and all the parts that come in contact with 85% ethanol are made of. Ethanol is more corrosive than gas, so different plastics have to be used.
My wife had an '02 S10, it was Flex Fuel. Right after I met her, the fuel pump went out, and I put a new one in. 450 bucks.

Yeah, I knew the pump can't compensate for the mixture of fuel to make the engine run better. I just figured the flex fuel pumps would be made of materials that could tolerate the mixture of ethanol and gas and perhaps the pump could last longer. Of course, it would not help if the pump had gotten ran dry or of dirt had got to it. Just a thought. I don't believe a regular in tank or frame mounted pump would do any better than a manual pump. No need to modify if it doesn't help anything.

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Reply #26 – June 05, 2012, 03:48:54 AM

Quote from: mcb82gt;391496

Just another way to get rid of our old POS cars. Make you change the fuel pump every year. Assholes.

I totally agree, although we are lucky we do not have mandatory emission testing in Illinois

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Reply #27 – June 05, 2012, 03:49:07 AM

Yet!!!!

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Reply #28 – June 05, 2012, 08:11:25 AM

Quote from: TOM Renzo;391514

82 i have actually considered this as a viable answer. Example my state still does asm25-25 emission testing on 95 and down vehicles, And my state slashed the emission levels in half on these cars, As the matter of fact the test numbers for older cars and OBD1 vehicles are twice as strict as when they were built. My state has personal property tax on cars every year. One can figure that older cars dont bring in TAX DOLLARS. I firmly believe this is part tof the problem and i believe it is a definite PLOT TO GET RID OF OLD CARS!! Thanks

Wow, that is rediculous. 2 x as strict as new, that isnt even close to logical. I guess the voters dont care about classics out there, or werent made aware of the vote, assuming it was even on the ballot.

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Reply #29 – June 05, 2012, 11:51:29 AM

It definitely sucks. Thank god JR has a repair plate in the body shop. NO EMISSIONS REQUIRED with it. some guys register in TEXAS. I am told many people with motor homes ude texas as their home state even though they are on the road and some dont have permanent addresses. ESCAPEES is an organization that can do this i am told