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Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Why do each of the rear illumination bulbs have a brown wire going to them, dedicated? Can one wire even handle the load of the full set of illumination of the entire set? I'm looking to get my sequentials installed but not sure if I should just bridge them together for now (or go with LED's...).
1988 Thunderbird Sport

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #1
The brown wire is for the parkinglamp/running lamp circuit. Yes one wire already does handle the entire set of three bulbs plus license plate and side marker lamps on each side as it travels the entire length of the floorboard into the trunk area with one brown wire. The brown wires from each bulb socket are all junctioned at some point in the rear body panel harness all soldered together and taped up.

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #2
Quote from: Watchdevil;334987
The brown wire is for the parkinglamp/running lamp circuit. Yes one wire already does handle the entire set of three bulbs plus license plate and side marker lamps on each side as it travels the entire length of the floorboard into the trunk area with one brown wire. The brown wires from each bulb socket are all junctioned at some point in the rear body panel harness all soldered together and taped up.

Ah - I haven't seen that spot. Any idea where it is? Is it the same gauge wire there, or is the feed larger? I was wanting to tap into the existing harness in the middle of the rear, just to the drivers side of the latch (with exception of the green/drivers side turn/brake wire being a couple bulbs away).

If the feed wire is larger, I'll just run a jumper over there from my current splice location but it appears to be further up the quarter panel?

The brown wire should be seeing about 6A of current going through it with the lights running, using standard incandescent bulbs.
1988 Thunderbird Sport

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #3
Quote from: Seek;335010
Ah - I haven't seen that spot. Any idea where it is? Is it the same gauge wire there, or is the feed larger? I was wanting to tap into the existing harness in the middle of the rear, just to the drivers side of the latch (with exception of the green/drivers side turn/brake wire being a couple bulbs away).

If the feed wire is larger, I'll just run a jumper over there from my current splice location but it appears to be further up the quarter panel?

The brown wire should be seeing about 6A of current going through it with the lights running, using standard incandescent bulbs.


It's not a larger feed wire. It's all the same gauge wire. Where the main body harness runs into the quarter panel there should be a connector that joins the rear body panel harness. The junction for supply to each bulb socket is buried in all the tape in the rear body panel harness somewhere near the left taillamp side of the quarter panel. The same is done to join all the grounds. You are fine to tap where you indicated that you want to. As long as you tap into a the brown wire you are good.

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #4
That's strange but not surprising. What I hate is how Ford has smaller wires on a fused circuit that is designed for a larger wire that is also on the circuit.  My radio/clock memory wire burned up when the fuse was sized larger than that wire can handle. The thing's just sitting in there now, chopped off since there was nothing left but bare copper. I'd like to replace it someday but that's a huge ordeal to do, especially with a thicker wire. Right now I use a dedicated run with its own 5A fuse...

Anyways, got the things wired up and all's well for the moment. I may just replace them with some 3W LED's just to try them out (first one as a test of a product). The lower power draw, instant on, more consistent light output, and the ability to easily get some that are around 30% brighter than the stock lights makes is a no-brainer if the bulbs can be found somewhere for cheap (NOT retail pricing).
1988 Thunderbird Sport

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #5
Quote from: Seek;335070
That's strange but not surprising. What I hate is how Ford has smaller wires on a fused circuit that is designed for a larger wire that is also on the circuit.  My radio/clock memory wire burned up when the fuse was sized larger than that wire can handle. The thing's just sitting in there now, chopped off since there was nothing left but bare copper. I'd like to replace it someday but that's a huge ordeal to do, especially with a thicker wire. Right now I use a dedicated run with its own 5A fuse...

Anyways, got the things wired up and all's well for the moment. I may just replace them with some 3W LED's just to try them out (first one as a test of a product). The lower power draw, instant on, more consistent light output, and the ability to easily get some that are around 30% brighter than the stock lights makes is a no-brainer if the bulbs can be found somewhere for cheap (NOT retail pricing).


At some point I would love to do all exterior LED's...

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #6
Quote from: Watchdevil;335071
At some point I would love to do all exterior LED's...


The problem with this is it's better to buy the LED's and add make them work, than to use what's on the market. Most are pretty terrible in light output and reliability. Of course, I have no idea if I can get any 3-5W LED's in anything but white. There are plenty of well-binned emitters for only a couple dollars though that can easily be ran at 2-3W (with efficiencies of near 100lumens/watt at these power levels) and can still last thousands of hours if heatsinked properly.

I don't like anything I see on the market as drop-in bulbs, yet. Ideally, you'd want a single emitter that is heatsinked properly...and not cost a fortune. The best I've seen for performance/cost for manufactured rear lamps is http://www.eautoworks.com/product-Led-106981.htm
1988 Thunderbird Sport

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #7
So yeah - umm...how does the system sentry detect that a lamp is out? With all rear lights wired up to a single wire, when I turn them on, the lamp out light comes on. Also with the lights off, during braking it's off but with my sequential turn signals on, I get a very short flicker from the system sentry each flash. This I'm not too concerned about though as it would make more sense than the illumination bulb out thing.

So why is it saying I have a lamp out with the rear taillights on when all 8 rear bulbs are fully functional and wired to the same brown/black wires? Yes this belongs in the electrical section :p
1988 Thunderbird Sport

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #8
Quote from: Seek;335663
So yeah - umm...how does the system sentry detect that a lamp is out? With all rear lights wired up to a single wire, when I turn them on, the lamp out light comes on. Also with the lights off, during braking it's off but with my sequential turn signals on, I get a very short flicker from the system sentry each flash. This I'm not too concerned about though as it would make more sense than the illumination bulb out thing.

So why is it saying I have a lamp out with the rear taillights on when all 8 rear bulbs are fully functional and wired to the same brown/black wires? Yes this belongs in the electrical section :p


I am thinking that perhaps the system sentry works off detecting the bulb load resistance. As it is now it seems that the load is now out of spec from being a normal load causing a lamp out warning.

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #9
What would it measure though? Just the increased resistance from the one wire being used? That'd cause the system to turn the bulb off I would think. The only difference is the two inner bulbs are now dual filament but I doubt that would cause the illumination to throw a bulb out indicator. Perhaps it measures the brake/signal circuit instead, even if the brake/signal aren't supposed to be lit with only the illumination on?
1988 Thunderbird Sport

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #10
Quote from: Seek;335756
What would it measure though? Just the increased resistance from the one wire being used? That'd cause the system to turn the bulb off I would think. The only difference is the two inner bulbs are now dual filament but I doubt that would cause the illumination to throw a bulb out indicator. Perhaps it measures the brake/signal circuit instead, even if the brake/signal aren't supposed to be lit with only the illumination on?


I am betting that it possibly works off a set resistance spec of a full load factory equipped. If it is out of spec either hi or lo then it may throw on the bulb warning light.

Brake and signal lights are on a seperate circuit than the running lamps.

Taillights - each bulb has dedicated pos wire?

Reply #11
Yeah but the running lamps are on all the time. Anyways, I'll probably just ditch the system sentry and make my own indicators down the road. It isn't hard to create your own circuit to do the same thing, and mount the entire thing in a better position. I'd like to keep the rear lamp out, low fuel, low oil, and door ajar idiot lights.

The signal lamps only flickers on when the second bulb is lit - it is off when only one bulb is lit and when 3 are lit. I still have the brakes set to sequence once, although I will probably run the wire to make them appear as normal braking lamps.

Anyways, so if I spliced all brown wires into the system, I assume it'd put the system sentry back in check with the running lamps. Not really worth the effort though - I assume there would be a little difference with the flasher with a lamp out on the brakes and I see the running lamps every time I arm or disarm the alarm.
1988 Thunderbird Sport