Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #15 – July 29, 2010, 02:11:22 PM Lube one part at a time.Yes,it'll take time with a few test drives,but eventually you can narrow down the problem and know what needs to be fixed. Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #16 – July 29, 2010, 02:12:13 PM Is your driveshaft rubbing a ler or anything like that? Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #17 – July 29, 2010, 02:59:50 PM I've read your post two times now and my gut tells me its a Sway bar end link. Upon inspection it will look like nothing is wrong. What happens is the Nut, washer, bushing comes off. This is all on the underside of the A-arm. Once that is all loose or gone the upper bushings tend to stick to the big bolt type piece. Then as you go over those bumps and turns and such that Bolt piece rubs on the A-arm and causes that sing sounds. Then if the bump is big enough that bolt piece gets out of that hole and hits around the hole causing the s and them a Bang of sorts when it does slam back into the hole. Hope that is it nice and simple fix. If not keep plugging away Stuckman Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #18 – July 29, 2010, 03:15:38 PM Quote from: Seek;329604How should I go about finding the noise? I'm not sure I can get a microphone in there that won't wash out with wind noise. It's very easy to reproduce on those residential-type speed bumps but the closest is about 2 miles away from the house. Is there a set of sensors that can be mounted and what would they be called?http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/c-259-stethescopes-noise-finders.aspxMight work if you're going over speed bumps.If it were me, I'd ask a friend go with you to a place where you can reproduce the noise and have him listen to it as you drive by to pinpoint the location better. I had a metallic sing noise coming from the right front wheel well when going over bumps. Couldn't see anything wrong. A few weeks later finally went to re-check my 5-lug work in the rear and saw the e-brake cable had been rubbing on the wheel. D'oh. Fixed it with some zip-ties. Not saying that is your problem, but acoustic issues are hard to pinpoint when you're inside the vehicle and the noise is outside. Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #19 – July 29, 2010, 04:18:58 PM Quote from: JeremyB;329914http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/c-259-stethescopes-noise-finders.aspxMight work if you're going over speed bumps.If it were me, I'd ask a friend go with you to a place where you can reproduce the noise and have him listen to it as you drive by to pinpoint the location better. I had a metallic sing noise coming from the right front wheel well when going over bumps. Couldn't see anything wrong. A few weeks later finally went to re-check my 5-lug work in the rear and saw the e-brake cable had been rubbing on the wheel. D'oh. Fixed it with some zip-ties. Not saying that is your problem, but acoustic issues are hard to pinpoint when you're inside the vehicle and the noise is outside.That tool is awesome! I need one just because I can - they would be so helpful from time to time.While it's a pain to do such troubleshooting, I'll try out your guys' ideas on Saturday - it is only supposed to be in the mid 70's so I won't be baking like the last time I did car work a few weeks ago. I've got some VERY good directions to go in to try to find the problem(s). Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #20 – July 31, 2010, 05:47:53 PM The problems seem more temperature pr0ne than anything else. Being 65degrees out, I can't get the sing noises to reproduce and the other creaking I have sounds very much like something in the brake area. I will just be pulling everything apart and greasing everything I can think of up with silicone and synthetics in a spray can/bar. Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #21 – July 31, 2010, 11:38:04 PM Well still can't find anything but I can't drive it again until I get a couple new caliper bolts -the ones on the passenger side are weak and one sheared off when torquing with a 6" ratchet...Swaybar bushings were fine and the end links showed no signs of rubbing. I greased up a bit there. Also greased the tie rod ends as the boot wasn't looking too full, boot on the drivers side ball joint looks more squished than that on the passenger side but they were just greased a week ago and have grease coming out out of both (far from sealed). Torqued the cross bar and k-member bolts a little more as they weren't exactly "tight" (hopefully something here solves the problem). Ummm, control arm bolts, strut bolts/nut, breaks made sure tight and brakes were greased further - upon pulling the drivers side wheel off, the wheel wasn't spinning very freely and I'm not sure why. Calipers are new as of last year and the piston pressed in easily enough with a c-clamp. Re-set the pads with some new brake-quiet goop. Swaybar bushing mount bolts are all already tight and I checked other bolts in the area (what am I missing from the above list?). Transmission cross member bolts/nuts are good, as are the motor mounts bolts. I did not see anything rubbing, although I wouldn't be surprised about the plastic fender guards touching the swaybar when it sits on its own weight. My sound/feeling issues are much deeper than such petty problems though. I'm still not sure what I occasionally hear tapping on the passenger side when braking as the caliper looks like it's working perfect and the backing plate has about 1/4" clearance all around. The noise slows down with the wheel/speed so it's something in that area. Smacked the wheel grease dust covers back on as they were lifting off slightly. I didn't see any signs of rubbing of the springs on the control arms.It's nice to know that my passenger side caliper bolts were stressed - not a very nice feeling but at least the sheared one was easy to get out. Too bad nothing obvious was bad but who knows about the kmember and cross bar bolts.So where are the other k member bolts? I only saw 4 on the sides? Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #22 – August 01, 2010, 12:54:26 AM Got it back together but I'll have to test drive it tomorrow - sounds good so far but it always sounds good in the morning after it's sat all night.Whether it's fixed or not, I've got a new noise that popped up a few weeks ago. On the drivers side, there is a very low pitched suspension noise that wasn't there before and seems to be vibrating through the entire chassis. The front wheel going over any rough road or up a bump has a very low toned noise, kind of like road noise you normally hear on rough roads but a little lower toned and only coming from that one tire. I do not have the sound deadening installed in the kickpanel so I do year more from the wheels than normally but the noise being new is the only concerning thing. I don't think it sounds like any part that's going to fail though, unlike the sing noises from the drivers side front that I've been hearing on warmer days. Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #23 – August 01, 2010, 02:11:44 AM Is there anything rubbing your springs? Or maybe a s of metal or something caught between a spring and the frame or arm? You prolly already checked that but I'm just sayin Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #24 – August 01, 2010, 10:59:10 AM Tons of clearance around the springs although I'd like to pull them out and add a lot more grease around the polyurethane bushings between the spring and the bushing and the bushing and body. I only used some sparingly on the inside as all I had when I installed them was the grease that came with the bushings. Either way, that shouldn't have anything to do with my problem and the bottom of the springs are in about 1/2" from the end of the tubed bushing on both sides so it's lot peeping out and sing on anything. Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #25 – August 02, 2010, 11:19:57 PM Okay guys - the sound that was seems to be no more. Now the problem that was starting to creep up on my passenger side brake area is a full blown problem that I cannot pinpoint. I've put jack stands on the frame and jack stands on the a-arms with and without the wheel on but with no luck in pinpointing the problem.Symptoms: Car going over manhole over (all here are raised or recessed a little so there's a bump), when the passenger side front hits it, I hear a high pitched banging sound like the caliper or rotor if something were to hit it. Braking is smooth but I hear a quiet to medium volume repeated clank clank clank if I press the brake lightly but with enough force to actual feel the braking in effect. The noise slows down as the car slows down. Caliper bolts have been pulled out and greased and the two mounting bolts replaced as I had issues with the ones I was using earlier. The noise was there with the old bolts so I don't think it has anything to do with the replacement hex-head bolts/slides. Nothing ishiznitting with plenty of clearance all around, including the splash guard. The sound has much more weight/force to it than a splash guard issue. No signs of anything hitting in the wheel areas. Nothing loose in the engine bay that can cause it, that I can find anywhere.What am I looking at now? I've got one of them chassis stethoscopes coming now but this problem should be much more evident in what is causing the problem.I had it back apart both Saturday and today to give myself a clear head. There are no problems that I can find other than my 50,000 mile directional tires are badly worn on the passenger side and it's likely mostly due to the old rear end I was using prior to last year - failing traction lock = one wheel wonders. Hopefully the outside wear on my front tire is a sign that A) I need to rotate them (or rather, replace them now actually) and B) I either had, or right now have an issue with alignment. The frontend was aligned a couple thousand miles ago though and the tires have been around for 5 years.Edit: A-arm bolts were checked with the impact but none would really torque down any more.Edit2: While I did have the pads off of the drivers side caliper over the weekend and used brake quiet everywhere to keep metal on metal contact from making noise, I did not do anything on the passenger side but replace the bolts. I'm thinking I'll pull the pads off and re-install them with some of that goop also to cut out the chance of the inner pad making any noise. I will also note that my drivers side brake was seized up a bit more than the passenger side - again. I may have to replace that side's caliper as the only thing left that can be bad on it is the piston's movement being stuck. Apparently I can get the steel pistoned calipers for fairly cheap from o'reilly's. Either way, that side's stuck and it doesn't appear to be hydraulic related. I cannot consistently get it to reproduce when pressing the brake and going over the manhole covers but it does. Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #26 – August 03, 2010, 04:50:56 PM do you have the rattle clips that go between the pad and caliper? with out them you get some odd nosie Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #27 – August 03, 2010, 10:10:18 PM I've not found anti rattle clips for the front calipers of either the stock or the 73mm pistoned calipers I'm using now (everyone has the TC rears though). I see that Maximum Motorsports has a set that should work. While it shouldn't matter, I also have MM's steel sleeves instead of the rubber boots so the brakes shouldn't move/flex as much during actual braking.I pulled the pads off the passenger side, bent the inner pad's clips out a bit more, applied a bunch of brake quiet to the area to help see if it'll dampen the noise slightly (once dried, this should tell me quickly if it's the brakes, although I don't expect the stuff to last more than a few miles). forcefully got the inner pads back in the pistons, gooped up a bit more, and put everything back together. I did find that the bolt that holds the brake line's bracket to the chassis wasn't exactly tight so I snugged it down good (not that the sound is that of such a small bracket).Edit: With medium braking (slowing from 30mph), I can't get any noises to generate from the area. The noise is still there right when I pulled out of the driveway and hit the manhole cover a fee feet away, without touching the brakes yet. I think I hear the same noise if I kick the passenger side tire now - the noise isn't there on the drivers side and I couldn't make a noise kicking the brake rotor when the wheel was off. I'm not so sure it's the brake caliper itself, the pad, or something different altogether. I'm out of things to try that won't be a permanent "fix/test" as NOTHING can be seen/felt/heard with the wheel off or the full weight on the suspension. Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #28 – August 04, 2010, 06:47:10 AM Strut mounts maybe? Quote Selected
Creaking and sing won't go away Reply #29 – August 04, 2010, 09:07:03 AM Since I think I can reproduce the sound by kicking the tire in the driveway, I'll check it out although the strut mounts are only a year old and torqued down well. I just need to pick up some ramps to look into the problem further. Quote Selected
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