Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? April 29, 2008, 01:58:22 PM Found the below link posted on another forum I frequent"http://longisland.craigslist.org/car/641464292.htmlHere's the description.QuoteI started this restoration project and can not complete it and have since moved. It's a 1982 Mustang it is badged SS (the name used before they switched to GT that year) IT DOES NOT RUN. All the numbers match and as far as I know I am the second owner. All the parts are there to complete the project. It has new exhaust, brakes. The motor needs rebuilding and the body work needs to be completed. I Will listen to offers close to $1500.00. I have many orginal dospoogeents. Looking at the pics below and having never heard of this I would off the bat say [SIZE="7"]BS[/SIZE]Many of the people on the other forum were in agreement over that. It was deduced that perhaps he was confusing the car with some of the early Special Service carshttp://www.sspmustang.org/index.htmhttp://www.mustangregistry.org/lx_79_82.htmOne person shot him an e-mail over this SS issue to which the seller replied:QuoteThis Is NOT an Chips car. Chips did not get their cars until production was well under way. They were L hatch backs and sedans with police package equipment. I don't know where you get your information from but the GT was orginally called SS "Super Stallion" The cars got held at the dealers because Ford was sued first by GM then by the Jewish defence league over the name. I was a Ford zone manager during this time and when Ford gave up fighting they changed the name to GT in the field. We were given a change over kit for each car in our Zone. In this kit was a marony lable, two decals. We were instructed to remove the SS emblem off the deck lid and the glove box door and replace them with GT decals. This car is one such car. In Fact it came from a dealer in my old route. It was orginally built as an SS and I started to restore the car to original lost my job and ran out of money. The SS emblems are genunine and I have the ford part numbers and and envelope they came in to prove it. I also have the Part numbers for the Chips package emblems and decals and they are not the same. There is only one Ford History book that I know of in print that mentions the name change. I have various proof as to what I am saying. I have only met a hand full of people from around the globe that remember the law suit and the field change over. I know of one other car that was just sold to a guy in Texas. The previous owners dad was the Dearborn plant manager at the time and was given one of the first 200 off the line. It is black and has only about 20G on the clock. I have photos of the dospoogeents if you would liek to see them. The first 200 SS were made week 2 Nov 1981 and week 2 Dec 1981. The next 2000 SS were made week 2 and 3 of Jan 1982 and week 1 and 2 of Februaly 1982 This car was one of the last built. Starting March 1982 the dark red color was introduced prior to that the car only came in Silver and Black. When production started in March a ra raised plastic GT emblem was available for the car and used. The GT decal still listed under decals in Ford parts books. The SS emblem is listed under early 1982 emblems listings. If you read the Original Ford CHIP package content list you will see what the package included and the body used. The orginal 5 hatchbacks were never placeed into Chips service. They were sales demos to spike interest in police package Mustangs. As far as I know there were part of the 20 or so Mustang "SS" demo models Fords had in their posession. These 20 or so cars were job 1 prototypes from the Dearborn pilot plant. This plant builds all cars first to iron out assebly issues before actual production begins around the globe. Those cars were the forunners to the Job 1 SS production which were the ones that had the GT name change over. Being prototypes they should have been destroyed as are the rest of the prototypes as they are just that prototypes and not regular production vehicles. Many don't even have full Vin tags. As of my posting this, he has shown none of these dospoogeents or stated what the supposed Ford part # are. Can anyone with historical Ford knowledge shed insight into this? It's just a bit too early for me. In 1982 I was 6. Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #1 – April 29, 2008, 02:29:31 PM That SS badge looks like it came directly off a late 60's early 70's Chevrolet. I this guy is really good at fabricating stories that the rest of the world conveniently can't recall. Otherwise, full of shiznit. Who really knows, though? Does that look like any other kind of badging Ford was using in '82? Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #2 – April 29, 2008, 02:35:13 PM The "SS" is legit, but this car is not legit to be one...http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread.php?t=59300The badges are an Escort P/N....The guy just refuses to take any new , GOOD pics to back up his story. Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #3 – April 29, 2008, 02:52:15 PM Interesting......funny how the guy's story is correct, but the car isn't legit. Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #4 – April 30, 2008, 12:37:17 PM A second e-mail has come from the seller of this car:QuoteSee here is the thing I really don't want to sell it. However I can not aford to ship it and my mom wants it gone. My heart and gut tell me one thing, (No don't sell it) and my common sence and my mother say another. Keep in mind Im 57 and my mom is 85. Neither is getting any younger. I want to see the car restored. If I can not do anything else with it I will give it to the Ford Museum in Dearborn. My plan now is to put any old 302 in it box up the original motor and save it just to get it here in Nebraska. As Diesel prices go up the cost of shipping a non running car goes up as well. I have looked into Uhaul's etc and it would cost over 3G to get the car here. So there it sits. To make my mom feel better I have placed ads to sell it. Note that I am not placeing ads that cost anything. It created quite a good still last time as well and I received several letters calling it a fake and several that know of the car and the story that worked at Ford in some capacity at the time. Back in 1982 when it all happened no one at Ford gave it a second thought. From time to time we would have to correct some issue in the field the same way. In 1983 it was the Fairmont and the LTD2 some LTD2 were badged Fairmont on one side and Ltd on the other. Some Merc Monarch had Granada emblem or Ford on them instead of Mercury. I carried a little vile of emblem adhesive remover and a eye dropper in my Ford brief case. These type of things just happened from time to time. It was not until a bealer in Mineola NY, who was a car collector said to me, as I was removing the showroom posters, books, etc that mendtioned SS, "Do you have to send it all back?" "This stuff will be worth a ton in 50 years" It wa then a light bulb went off in my head and realised he might be right. That dealer has long past but I am sure that some where in his collection lies original Mustang SS showroom posters and booklets etc. that he kept. I have personaly learned many things while I was at Ford from 1979 to 1989 that would make your head spin. There are tons of rare cars out there just like the mis printed coins and dollar bills people collect. Just look at the movie Back to the Future 2. All the future Fords in that movie. Did you know not one can be accounted for and there is no record of them being destroyed. Ford Probe V?? ever see one?? There are at least 10 missing. There was a huge shake up at the Ford museum recently because there are so many one of a kind cars that can't be accounted for. I hope you now belive what I am saying and pass the proof on that I gave you.Fromcjraceli@yahoo.comHere are the pics: Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #5 – April 30, 2008, 12:38:44 PM One more Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #6 – April 30, 2008, 12:40:11 PM I'm still laughing at the "Escort SS" part......where "SS" = "Supah shiznitteh" Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #7 – April 30, 2008, 12:49:55 PM I'm on the hunt for one of those badges now.... Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #8 – April 30, 2008, 12:58:22 PM We don't need no stinkin' badges!:D Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #9 – April 30, 2008, 03:28:49 PM I read through the postings on the Mustang site, and also noted this car was built in Feb '82, LOOONG after the SS conversions went down... Then in the reply Paul posted, he goes on how cars sometimes were built with the wrong emblems, and compares it to minting errors of coins... BULL shiznit... If it really did leave the factory with ALL the wrong emblems, then someone on the production line was having a fun day and did it on purpose... As far as it getting out the door with the incorrect badging(and sold by a dealer), I say there was zero to no chance...More likely is someone had the emblems(maybe from a conversion) and added them years ago... Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #10 – April 30, 2008, 04:27:15 PM maybe the escort ss was for real to.I know there were a lot of escort gt's around ,, that always made me laugh to:D Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #11 – April 30, 2008, 04:45:18 PM Quote from: TurboCoupe50;216530I read through the postings on the Mustang site, and also noted this car was built in Feb '82, LOOONG after the SS conversions went down... Then in the reply Paul posted, he goes on how cars sometimes were built with the wrong emblems, and compares it to minting errors of coins... BULL shiznit... If it really did leave the factory with ALL the wrong emblems, then someone on the production line was having a fun day and did it on purpose... As far as it getting out the door with the incorrect badging(and sold by a dealer), I say there was zero to no chance...More likely is someone had the emblems(maybe from a conversion) and added them years ago...I dunno, even in later years things can be wrong when the vehicle leaves the factory. I've seen a few 4X2 Isuzu trucks (rebadged Chevy S10's) with 4X4 decals all over them, one Isuzu truck with an Isuzu tail light on one side and a Chevy light on the other, a Saturn SL1 with one SL2 door panel and 3 SL1 door panels (would be similar to the difference between TC and base T-Bird panels), a Saturn coupe with two different colour door panels, and Saabs... well, all Saabs were mistakes. These were definitely assembly line mistakes, as the vehicles were straight off the trucks and I was PDI-ing them. If a modern factory can belt out mistakes like that in the late 90's it's not hard to imagine Ford doing it 25 years ago...Still, these mistakes were all with regular production parts simply ending up on the wrong vehicles. I can't imagine a car coming out of the factory with the wrong emblems over a year after the emblems were nixed... Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #12 – April 30, 2008, 05:27:30 PM Hi CarmenI have no doubt incorrect parts are sometimes installed, especially when variant models are run on the same line... My point was as you stated this would have had to been badged with parts that were not even in use... Even if it was originally equipped as such, the dealer prep team would have nixed it... Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #13 – April 30, 2008, 07:47:47 PM neat story but i have a question.....what is it with people with spelling? 99% of the time people spell "like" leik Quote Selected
Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No? Reply #14 – April 30, 2008, 08:01:55 PM Quote from: jcassity;216540maybe the escort ss was for real to.I know there were a lot of escort gt's around ,, that always made me laugh to:DAnd wtf is so funny about EGT's???I know of a guy that has put a 2.3T in one....fairly straightforward swap/conversion.Mine is kinda ugly right now, but someday... Quote Selected