So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #15 – November 26, 2007, 11:41:33 PM Yup, the auto companies dont make money off of people buying used cars, and thats all Ill ever buy. Nobody makes anything appealing to me now. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #16 – November 27, 2007, 12:12:20 AM Bring back the Ford Courier!!!!Heck, at $4.00 a gallon, those auto parts companies driving the little trucks will be the only ones on the road, lol. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #17 – November 27, 2007, 12:36:48 AM Bring Back the Ranchero!!/gasp!! Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #18 – November 27, 2007, 07:35:44 AM Quote from: SSX;189810Good thing GM is bringing a Holden Ute over as a variant of the Pontiac G8 :D [I'm too lazy to find the source, but I'm pretty sure it was on Jalopnik at one point] EDIT: Did a 20 second search and found it: http://jalopnik.com/cars/industry-news/there-is-a-god-automotive-news-reports-pontiac-to-get-g8-ute-wagon-324251.php Now I'm not so lazy :)How about a five second search in this very thread? :hick:http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showpost.php?p=189789&postcount=8Quote from: FordTruckFreeek;189810My point is this...because of Ford's complacency with what the market wants versus what Ford wants, well, we're on the losing side.The same can be said for the entire light truck market. When the Dakota got obese, the buying public went nuts for it. GM and Ford followed suit, and now true light trucks are non-existant.Quote from: thunderjet302;189810The only RWD full frame cars you can get from Ford now are the Grand Marq and the Town Car.The Panther is dead. Not even for fleets anymore. They are the new Caprice Dodo, and it's about time we got rid of these 30 year old fossils. They are the oldest platform being used in North America. There were plans to replace it with the Falcon chassis, but that has been backed out of. The Taurus/Sable is now considered internal competition for the car, and they only sold roughly 1000 Panther cars in all of last year. Let it die. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #19 – November 27, 2007, 08:26:08 AM I do still like the Rangers, but it's not like I can afford a new one.All the "small" trucks are big now...I think it started with everyone wanting a V8 in their "compact" trucks and snowballed from there.I just want to know what will be replacing it. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #20 – November 27, 2007, 08:57:12 AM Never know guys this might just work out like the FWD mustang"aka probe" It all sounds good and looks to make sense but they are never gonna know until they drop the hammer or do some market research. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #21 – November 27, 2007, 11:24:52 AM Everyone can talk "outdated" and complain that it hasn't been changed significantly in 26 years but, it is the only small truck left. Any car company makes decisions strickly on money. This is why I still have my 92 Ranger. Everyone else has gone big.The Ranger does what it's designed to do. I have not need for a big truck. But per the sales figures it doesn't make sense for Ford to keep the plant and continue building a vehicle with continuing declining sales.Which brings up the point of the killing of the most successfull Fords ever built besides the T. Fox platform everything and the 83-88 Tbirds and Cougars. Highly successful but few people will buy two door cars anymore. Toyota and Nissan and their primium brands can afford to sell two doors in low volume. Ford cannot. However, I did hear that Ford may redo the Ranger completely, make it bigger but not as big as the F-150 and sell it as a F-100. Just another small truck converted to a bigger truck. But Ford will probably be first for small diesels in light trucks. Less than 5 liter and possibly a V6. We'll all have to wait and see. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #22 – November 27, 2007, 12:28:06 PM Quote from: oldraven;189858How about a five second search in this very thread? :hick: http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showpost.php?p=189789&postcount=8 Actually that is the link that made me find the Jalopnik one...I saw 2007 Holden VE Utility and never scrolled down to read the article talking about bringing it over. I guess that is what I get for assuming and not reading. Now I feel dumb, lol. Move along, nothing more to see here. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #23 – November 27, 2007, 01:04:40 PM Quote from: SSX;189890Actually that is the link that made me find the Jalopnik one...I saw 2007 Holden VE Utility and never scrolled down to read the article talking about bringing it over. I guess that is what I get for assuming and not reading. Now I feel dumb, lol. Move along, nothing more to see here. Hey, it happens to the Bestaphus! Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #24 – November 27, 2007, 02:49:14 PM I was hoping to see a diesel ranger in the near future. That would be a hit IMO. Oh well, I can see ford dissolving in the next 10 years. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #25 – November 27, 2007, 02:55:05 PM Quote from: stuntmannick;189903I was hoping to see a diesel ranger in the near future. That would be a hit IMO. Oh well, I can see ford dissolving in the next 10 years.I usually try to avoid the doom and gloom, but I can't argue with you, since they put the entire company and its' assets up as collateral for their big loan two years ago. Since then I've seen............... nothing that will even start the turnaround that they need to get the company off the dinner table. In fact, recent news looks like they're systematically shutting the company down on their own. Closing the Cleveland plant says a lot, in that regard. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #26 – November 27, 2007, 03:52:12 PM Yes, the simple "Just build a car that people will buy" formula seems to be lost on Ford. No decent new products at the dealerships, and nothing compelling in the pipeline. GM seems to be finally getting it right, though... Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #27 – November 27, 2007, 05:15:25 PM New GM's for 2008:1 - Pontiac G8: A HUGE potential here, this car will be the biggest story of the next few years. It brings the traditionally European 4-door RWD sport sedan back to the US (via the land of OZ). Add in LS V8 power (355HP just in the base "GT" model, what's the GXP going to have? 430?) and soon a 6-speed manual (not that the sport-shift auto is bad, far from it!). Charger sales (which are already tanking) will dry up and this car will take a big chunk from Lexus, BMW, and Infiniti. Pontiac is going to be GM's BMW.2 - Cadillac CTS: Looks AMAZING in person! And the V is slated to get the 650HP LS9 Supercharged motor. Caddy has surpassed BMW and is headed right for Benz.3 - New trucks: Granted, they've been out for a few months now, but they're still 08's. And say what you want, they are destroying the sales charts. The fact that GM not only has the gall to release a bunch of Sierra vs Tundra literature is shocking enough, but the facts in it are all true and the sales and reliability ratings are showing it!We can keep going on and on. The new Malibu is shockingly good and moving up a class to fight off the Camry opens up the Impala to be RWD again (see the G8 above). It's trouncing the Camry/Accord in every test so far. Or how about the upcoming 650HP LS9 powered ZR1 Vette? GM just purposefully leaked the engine details this week.Heck, look at what they've released in the last year! Saturn has an all-new lineup (Sky roadster and Aura sedan are having stellar sales), the Pontiac Solstice is getting huge press, the 430HP LS3 Vette is selling like wildfire, etc, etc. I don't even need to start on how successful the Z06 has been.So, what's the point? GM's turn-around program is working. They're releasing GOOD cars that people WANT. It's exciting to go to a GM dealer again!What does that have to do with Ford? Well, everything. Ford is dying. They've released exactly 1 good new car in the last year (Fusion). Where's the beef? Seriously, is Ford making anything that really gets you exited anymore? The "new" Mustang is already on it's 4th model year with no changes beyond colors. The F150 restyle got pushed back and turned into a "re-grill" that's going to flop. The "Taurus" (500) is a good car that gets NO press and NO advertising. The "new" Focus is being bashed round-the-world as it deserves. The Crown Vic is dead with no replacement. The Thunderbird is dead (again). The Lincoln LS is dead. The Cougar is dead (that little FWD was admittedly good). Now the Ranger is dead.Mulally was hired for one reason. To close and sell of the company. It saddens me, but I truly believe it. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #28 – November 27, 2007, 06:56:39 PM *Off topic*Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;189917The Cougar is dead (that little FWD was admittedly good).Wow another fox owner that feels the same as me i like my 99 just as much as my 87, cant wait to get the 87 back on the road tho. Quote Selected
So Ford neglects another stalwart to death... Reply #29 – November 28, 2014, 03:12:15 PM Quote from: Chuck W;189779Well I can see it.Any more the Rangers are big trucks. MUCH bigger than the Gen 1/2's used to be. While bigger than before, they are still considered "small" by full-size standards. They don't offer the power or capacity of the full-sized trucks and they really don't get any better gas mileage....so what's the point? If you want a "light" truck, get a V6 F150.The light truck market is going to go the way of the Ridgeline most likely, a uni-body platform. They can be made lighter and "cuter" for the trendy crowd and still offer similar performance.The Ute would be a good fill-in in that slot.....Again, I know I'm replying to a very old thread, but I had to comment being that I bought an 2008 Ford Ranger XLT new, which I still have. I had people asking me why I didn't get a low-end F-150. The Ranger is smaller than even the low-end F-150. I didn't want higher insurance, bigger tires and room I didn't need (I have a single cab Ranger and it's all I need). I simply don't buy more than I need, because you'll pay for it in different ways down the line. Admittedly, I don't haul much in the Ranger. It's a simple, yet dependable truck. I'll say this, gas mileage isn't good in it and probably gets the same as a F-150. That was one of the determining factors in not buying a Ford (along with Ford killing Mercury) when I bought my 2013 Honda Accord. Even if Ford brings back the Ranger or some variant of a light truck, it won't be as dependable as the Ranger. I personally believe the last good Ford's/Mercury's/Lincoln's were the Ranger, Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis and Town Car. Going back to the 90s, the last good-looking, dependable Mercury were hands-down the 89-97 Cougars. That's where the Cougar line should have ended, but instead, the Cougar ended with that abomination on wheels. Horrible, horrible design. To say I hate the last generation of Cougar's is a serious understatement. Quote Selected
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