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Reply #15
Thanks for the info guys, it helps


Quote from: 83-88T-Bird Guy;245644
Yes, the Ford Motorsport oil pan M-6675-A58 is correct.



With this pan the old one was a 7 qt  and this is a 5qt should that make a difference or would I have to change the oil pump?


Quote from: rancheronut
   as for 351 to c-5.
just use a flex plate for your YEAR 351 and AOD tranny. work fine for all the swaps in 351 .i found the flex plate AOD and the c-3/4/5 have the same bolt pattern.


Does it make a difference if I get a 164-tooth or a 157-tooth flexplate? I'm seeing some are 28oz and some are 50oz also. I'm just not sure which one I should use?

Thanks for all the info guys! This forum is awesome.

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Reply #16
A 351w will be 28 oz.

Yes it makes a difference you wanna make sure you have the right flexplate.
Matt
1984 Thunderbird - 89 302 HO, GT40 heads w/ Trick Flow springs, E303 cam, Edelbrock Performer 289 intake and 600 cfm 4bbl, Mustang headers, Jegs o/r H pipe, Dynomax lers, Mustang AOD and shifter, Mustang 8.8 w/ 3.73s, 3G alternator, Mustang front and rear sway bars, KYB 87-88 Turbo Coupe shocks and struts, and 11" front brakes.

1988 Mustang GT - GT40 heads, Explorer intake, 70mm throttle body, 70mm MAF, Crane 1.7 rrs, E303 cam, Kirban Kwik shifter w/ Pro 5.0 deluxe handle, aluminum clutch quadrant and firewall adjuster, o/r h pipe, Dynomax lers, 3G alternator, aluminum radiator, and 3.27 gears.
 
1986 Cougar 5.0, 1989 Mark VII LSC 5 speed, 1980 Mercury Zephyr 4 door (sold)

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Reply #17
Thanks for the info.

I just noticed something that I did and I hope it doesn't cause a problem, I took the flex plate off the engine 2 years ago and I didn't mark how it came off, Does it matter which way you install  the new one?

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Reply #18
Quote from: FordThunderbird;245804
Thanks for the info guys, it helps




With this pan the old one was a 7 qt  and this is a 5qt should that make a difference or would I have to change the oil pump?


I am not sure, but the factory 80-96 F-series and Bronco oil pans were of the center sump design and I think they used the same oil pump as the 80-89 Crown Vic with the 351W.

You could check at an auto parts store to see if they used the same oil pump.

Me personally, I would install a new oil pump. They are not really that expensive considering how important they are.
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Reply #19
No problem, they only fit one way. :D

Quote from: FordThunderbird;245947
Thanks for the info.

I just noticed something that I did and I hope it doesn't cause a problem, I took the flex plate off the engine 2 years ago and I didn't mark how it came off, Does it matter which way you install  the new one?
95 Ranger Splash 2.3
88 Tbird Sport :ies::ies:
5.0 SO, stainless shorty headers, w/ Magnaflow lers. KYB struts, KYB shocks. 5lug conversion from sn95 Mustang, subframe connectors, drilled and slotted rotors, 03 Mach 1 wheels. sequential taillights.140 speedo

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Reply #20
Quote from: 83-88T-Bird Guy;245980
I am not sure, but the factory 80-96 F-series and Bronco oil pans were of the center sump design and I think they used the same oil pump as the 80-89 Crown Vic with the 351W.


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Originally Posted by rancheronut
as for 351 to c-5.
just use a flex plate for your YEAR 351 and AOD tranny. work fine for all the swaps in 351 .i found the flex plate AOD and the c-3/4/5 have the same bolt pattern.


.Does it make a difference if I get a 164-tooth or a 157-tooth flexplate? I'm seeing some are 28oz and some are 50oz also. I'm just not sure which one I should use?




 
"4x4 have the center sump design
not the 4x2"(2wheel drive).



 in 1982 ford went to the 50ounces counterwieghts on there small block 5.0 and 5.8.
so all i'm saying is.
 keep the flexplate thats made for your "year of engine block and crank".
if it a 351 out of a 85 bronco ,then it 50oz flex plate and it will go to your 1982 3.8 c-5 tranny.
the c-5 have more clutch's in the clutch packs. inside the tranny that why the factory calls
 them c-5.
the AOD had the lockup torque converter not the c-5. the AOD came out in around 1981.
yes ,157 or 164 make a difference. because that what starter and tranny/block plate you will re-use. so just reuse the starter and tranny/block plate and flex plate from your  bronco 5.8 should be ok.
remember it easier to fix them, than to find them after they been crushed.

V6 = juvenile delinquency!


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Reply #22
these a casting number on your block on the passenger side down by the oil pan, where the starter was. that casting number will tell more about the block.

also messure the from cylinder had to cylinder. the 351 is wider than a 302.
remember it easier to fix them, than to find them after they been crushed.

V6 = juvenile delinquency!

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Reply #23
Got a pic of the area where the distributor mounts? If so I can tell if it's a 351 because it will have some *supports* cast into the block that a 302 does not have.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

 

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Reply #24
Quote from: thunderjet302;246140
Got a pic of the area where the distributor mounts? If so I can tell if it's a 351 because it will have some *supports* cast into the block that a 302 does not have.


Yes I do.

http://nebraskathundercats.com/engineswap/dis1.jpg

http://nebraskathundercats.com/engineswap/dis2.jpg

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Reply #25
On a 351, you will also be able to get to both waterneck bolts easier, because of the taller block. On a 302, one bolt is almost behind the timing cover.:D
95 Ranger Splash 2.3
88 Tbird Sport :ies::ies:
5.0 SO, stainless shorty headers, w/ Magnaflow lers. KYB struts, KYB shocks. 5lug conversion from sn95 Mustang, subframe connectors, drilled and slotted rotors, 03 Mach 1 wheels. sequential taillights.140 speedo

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Reply #26
Quote from: rancheronut;246071
"4x4 have the center sump design
not the 4x2"(2wheel drive).



 in 1982 ford went to the 50ounces counterwieghts on there small block 5.0 and 5.8.
so all i'm saying is.
 keep the flexplate thats made for your "year of engine block and crank".
if it a 351 out of a 85 bronco ,then it 50oz flex plate and it will go to your 1982 3.8 c-5 tranny.
the c-5 have more clutch's in the clutch packs. inside the tranny that why the factory calls
 them c-5.
the AOD had the lockup torque converter not the c-5. the AOD came out in around 1981.
yes ,157 or 164 make a difference. because that what starter and tranny/block plate you will re-use. so just reuse the starter and tranny/block plate and flex plate from your  bronco 5.8 should be ok.

351W has a 28.2 oz imbalance.  Not a 50 oz. 302's shared the same 28.2 oz before 1981 or so.
1987 TC

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Reply #27
+1 The 351 didn't change like the 302 did.
Matt
1984 Thunderbird - 89 302 HO, GT40 heads w/ Trick Flow springs, E303 cam, Edelbrock Performer 289 intake and 600 cfm 4bbl, Mustang headers, Jegs o/r H pipe, Dynomax lers, Mustang AOD and shifter, Mustang 8.8 w/ 3.73s, 3G alternator, Mustang front and rear sway bars, KYB 87-88 Turbo Coupe shocks and struts, and 11" front brakes.

1988 Mustang GT - GT40 heads, Explorer intake, 70mm throttle body, 70mm MAF, Crane 1.7 rrs, E303 cam, Kirban Kwik shifter w/ Pro 5.0 deluxe handle, aluminum clutch quadrant and firewall adjuster, o/r h pipe, Dynomax lers, 3G alternator, aluminum radiator, and 3.27 gears.
 
1986 Cougar 5.0, 1989 Mark VII LSC 5 speed, 1980 Mercury Zephyr 4 door (sold)

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Reply #28
not to hijack this,but I need a few answers.as I mentioned in my post,I used the 164 tooth flexplate from the 1983 3.8/c5.is my flexplate a 28.0 oz or a 50.0 oz?

also,shouldnt the harmonic balancer match the flexplate, as far as the oz's?

the only reason I used the FP from the 3.8 was to save on money and I figured if it doesnt work out,then I would spend the money needed to correct it.

The car drives just as it did when it had the 3.8 in it,other than the extra HP.

can someone clear this up for me?
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Reply #29
I just used a ford racing pan. I also enclosed a pic of my windsor going to be fitted in the next two weeks then come back out for paint.X

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