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Reply #30 – November 09, 2008, 04:02:48 PM

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;242328

1. um no... boost is just a measure of a restriction some place in the intake side of the motor....
2. more boost is NOT bettter.... at least not all the time anyways... less boost but the same power is better...:D

When I get a motor freshened up for spring I will up the boost to 9, and shoot for the 350rwhp range...

1. That is all to funny. I thought Boost was the measurement of the amount of pressure inside the intake tract before the intake valve opened.

2. Maybe not in your eyes but I tend to look at it like this more boost=more air with that I add more fuel and that nets me more POWER!

And there is a difference in Boost between a Turbo and a Supercharger. I all comes down to witch one creates the boost/power level you desire with the least amount of power to run the unit. I tend to think the turbo uses less power than a supercharger. Do I have any proof or documentation no. We could argue for hours over who is right. Just remember this when I wanna raise/lower the boost I just need a allen key and 1/2" wrench. What all do you SC guys have to do unless you have the TUrbo waste gate setup. Oh yeah I could do that too! I also think of this how many apps do they put superchargers on in day to day work type application. I know I see way more turbo trucks and big rigs than I do ones with superchargers. If a big rig can go how many miles with a turbo setup why don't they use superchargers. I guess if it AINT BROKE THEY DON'T NEED TO FIX IT. And think about the kinda power the turbo setup on a big rig makes. All the tech that makes a turbo what it is today came from Big Rigs and racing. Half the info that makes a SC what it is came from the same turbo related info. Oh and without the turbo you guys would still be running a Roots type blower!

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Reply #31 – November 09, 2008, 06:21:44 PM

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2. Maybe not in your eyes but I tend to look at it like this more boost=more air with that I add more fuel and that nets me more POWER!

You missed the point of what he was getting at.

If I take X blower and put in on a stock motor Y it may net 400 RWHP and show Z pounds of boost.

Now take Y motor, open up the intake and exhaust tracts....430 HP at Z-2 pounds of boost. To add to that in most cases the overall BFSC is reduced as well.

Also, not for nothing, but why so hostile towads "us SC guys" as you put it at the end of the post?

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Oh and without the turbo you guys would still be running a Roots type blower!

Roots blowers have their place....

FWIW I actually run a twin screw.....Go read up the difference between that and a roots then come talk to me on THAT subject!

Calm down....

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Reply #32 – November 09, 2008, 08:47:11 PM

Quote from: V8Demon;242347

You missed the point of what he was getting at.

1. If I take X blower and put in on a stock motor Y it may net 400 RWHP and show Z pounds of boost. Now take Y motor, open up the intake and exhaust tracts....430 HP at Z-2 pounds of boost. To add to that in most cases the overall BFSC is reduced as well.

2.Also, not for nothing, but why so hostile towads "us SC guys" as you put it at the end of the post?

3.Roots blowers have their place....
FWIW I actually run a twin screw.....Go read up the difference between that and a roots then come talk to me on THAT subject!

4.Calm down....

1. I think you are missing the point Y motor with the opened up intake and exhaust tracts. Yes it does more with less boost but if you open the tract so there is more volume in there and use less boost aren't you still getting more air in there than before you opened up the tract?I do believe so. If the boost level is the same as before the work wouldn't you still get more air in there? I do believe so. Once again more air more fuel more POWER!

2. Not hostile just adding more info that points that if you want what a turbo has get a turbo all these other did why not you. Is it because you just want a simple bolt? Or do you just wanna toss your dollars out in hopes to make a SC do what a turbo can do why not just step up and get a Turbo. I still tend to believe that the turbo make more power to power is uses than any SC. I do believe that you are adding the SC in hopes to make more power. Well that is awesome. But why is that I see all these stories of I used to have a SC and once I topped that out I went to a turbo and SON! Now this things makes XXXX more HP than before. Because the turbo can net you more power than your SC. I haven't seen to many where they took the turbo off installed a SC and now it makes so much more HP and such.

3. Yes Roots style blowers do have there place I never said they didn't. Once again pointing out that without the technology of the turbo your SC most likely wouldn't be here. And you have a twin screw does you wife/girlfriend know about them. LOL That is cool that you have it like that.

4. Calm why would I want to do that? If you really think I'm in some state of un calm sorry but that is just the way I am. I guess those years on the Debate team are still in there rolling around up stairs somewhere and sometimes they tend to surface and take over.

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Reply #33 – November 09, 2008, 09:07:15 PM

Wow.... not hostile at all..... If you say so.....

The reason I didn't add more has just been proven....you won't listen....

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if you open the tract so there is more volume in there and use less boost aren't you still getting more air in there

Which is exactly what WLD BRD was getting at.

In your previous post you said this:

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Maybe not in your eyes but I tend to look at it like this more boost=more air with that I add more fuel

Fair enough, but an example was given by one person where it wasn't and based on what you typed, you dismissed that.

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Yes Roots style blowers do have there place I never said they didn't

You inferred it.

I'm done with this one....Not worth my time....

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Reply #34 – November 09, 2008, 10:01:15 PM

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if you open the tract so there is more volume in there and use less boost aren't you still getting more air in there
Which is exactly what WLD BRD was getting at.

Yes but you can only open the tact so much and like I typed/said before with more boost you still get more air in there. Yes sometimes you can open the tact and use less boost for more power but the fact is you can still make more power when you add more BOOST! Especially when you open the intake and exhaust tracts.

In your previous post you said this:

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Maybe not in your eyes but I tend to look at it like this more boost=more air with that I add more fuel=more POWER.
Fair enough, but an example was given by one person where it wasn't and based on what you typed, you dismissed that.

Yes I did dismiss that. Why you ask because its like this you increased the volume of the intake and now it takes more air to pressurize that same intake tract to X boost level as before the work so yes you have less boost and more air still but if you were to run the higher boost setting you would be cramming even more air in there and netting more power. So yes you can set it up so less boost will make more power but if you run more boost for the same setup more boost=more power and less boost=less power. Facts are facts and unless you are changing something other than boost level MORE BOOST WILL ALWAYS NET MORE POWER!

And to me it looks like you are the one getting all bent out of shape over this. I'm sitting here listening to tunes having a good ole time. Why are you so sore over what I've said do you wish you would have bought a turbo now? Oh yeah you are done with this and not comin back. Well I take it as you are so ticked off you are fed up with it.

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Reply #35 – November 09, 2008, 10:12:10 PM

I'd love to know what you posted, but:

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This message is hidden because ipsd is on your ignore list.

I can only assume it's something along the lines of:

Turbos > all

Meh, whatever.

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Reply #36 – November 09, 2008, 10:15:13 PM

Once again who is the one that is pissed?

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Reply #37 – November 09, 2008, 10:21:37 PM

good Idea paul... what a tool.... time to add the first person to my ignore list....

and just to let you know ipsd... alot of big rigs had BOTH roots blowers AND a turbo... why? because a turbo sucks ass of the line, if not sized small enough, which restricts the top end power capabilities.... and yes I know all about the boost maps of all the styles of forced induction, and if I had enough cash, for the wieght of these cars, I would be going with twin turbos or a twin screw blower...

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Reply #38 – November 10, 2008, 02:41:01 AM

What more stuff do you need to buy before you can put on that V-1?

Also nice cougar to put it on so at least you get the nice car and good Vortech to put on it so its gonna be a nice car to maybe help get a few more people into the 80s cougars keep up the work because i am sure your planning up something.

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Reply #39 – November 10, 2008, 04:13:19 AM

just waiting on a new oil line nozzle for the inlet, then I might put it on this weekend....

It funny I went to the bank last night and past an old guy walking down the street... I was just idling by hm and took off normal. well I get up to my spot and park, get out, and hear... "excuse me sir" while he is jogging up the sidewalk...
"yes, sir" I reply
" i was just down the road and noticed the exhaust tips when you drove by, and though your car sounds really nice. I thought man I gotta catch up to him and find out what he has done to it. this is an XR-7 Cougar right?" Said the man
"Thanks" I reply "yes it is"
"I have an XR-7 too, but mine is all stock and rust free underneath. It is a Palm Springs edition. I have it at my place in Florida. Its a '96 or '97, I cant remember which now... he says."

So we talked for a bit and He invited me to stop into his business and check out some pics of his car, so I am going to take hm a pic of the group from CJ and invite him to it this year.. He was really impressed with the car and the work done, and it made my day having an older guy in his 60's compliment me on the sound of it.... I told him to wait til I leave and I will crack it open for him... well he went on his way and when I left the bank I wound out first and cens a bit and got a big smile and wave from him when I went by him...

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Reply #40 – November 10, 2008, 01:37:42 PM

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;242382

and yes I know all about the boost maps of all the styles of forced induction, and if I had enough cash, for the wieght of these cars, I would be going with twin turbos or a twin screw blower...

dont you mean compressor maps? ive never heard of boost maps. :hick:

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Reply #41 – November 11, 2008, 06:11:26 PM

Quote from: 32VFoxBird;242468

dont you mean compressor maps? ive never heard of boost maps. :hick:

you know what I meant smart ass... been going on only 3-4 hours a day of sleep lately so my thoughts and typing has suffered, lol:hick:

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Reply #42 – November 11, 2008, 09:42:44 PM

Quote from: 32VFoxBird;242468

dont you mean compressor maps? ive never heard of boost maps. :hick:

Yeah that is like Boost is a measurement of restriction inside the intake. And not doing the math to make sure how much air that turbo coupe hood scoop can flow before you install it. Yeah it looks great but what about the function you said it would have. I think that is what they call poor planning or something like that.