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Reply #15
Quote from: Carpimp1987;241399

You did kinda scare me i was like what did i do except work all day but i at least got you thinking about Boost.


LOL, yeah I saided :flame:  that as a joke, ;):hick:  no harm meant....  :D

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Reply #16
Its cool man anything i can do to help. Twin turbo sounds good but at least with the vortech you will be kicking some @$$..
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http://www.cardomain.com/id/Carpimp1987
1987 T-Bird AEROBIRD-GT had many many mods but is now totaled and is the car that made me want to start customizing everything all over again.
1988 T-Bird 5.0 HO DD/Sleeper/next project car :birdsmily:
1988 Cougar XR7 5.0 HO Vortech Supercharged being bulit right now :cougarsmily:


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Reply #17
RON,you finally joind the ranks of the blown,nice.
Just remember with anything over 6psi you need to pull timing(boost retard)and with the 42s she's gonna be pig rich and use alot of fuel as you have no way to decrease the flow down low,that's what my anderson does,you'll also have hard hot start issues.
Also you can't run a wastegate on an sc like on a turbo,it does not work properly.
It must be pullied to whatever boost you want to run at redline.
You'll need your maf hooked up as well,not sure if ya did that???
As well as the maf for 42s and someway to tell the proper a/f ratio as you don't want to be running lean on top(not that you should with 42s but...)
Also you'll need a tc pcv valve to prevent boost going into the crankcase and you have to remove the small tube going from the tb to the valve cover as boost will enter the case there too.
As for what to do with the vc vent,you cannot cap it,the way i did it was to run some tubing from the vc vent to a airline oil/water seperator then to the airbox or filter so that it stays a closed system.
You need to run one step colder plugs as a start and see how she runs as well as upgrade your ignition or she will blow out the candles in the higher rpm.
I think that about covers it,let me know if you got any questions.

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Reply #18
hahha I've been blown for years. ;)  I just installed a BBK AFPR set it to 38psi for now... the stock one was at 43.5lbs....  running WAY rich......

I will be installing the MSD BTM (and a fersh motor) before I go wild with the boost...  6psi wil be fine for now I think....  MM&FF did a story awhile bask on running the wastegate, or blow off valve (cant remember which) on a centrifigal SC set up with a tiny pulley..  worked great, gave them almost instant full boost and kept it at a safe level...
Yes I have the completed MAF set up...  I wont be running the 42s thoug... WAY overkill for this set up....  and I have to change the plugs anyways as the manual says to NEVER run platinum plugs unless they are factory...

Thanks for the advice Chris...  PM me your number and we will be intouch when I go to install it...

oh yeah... Claude.....  Im gonna be ready for you at CJ this time.... ;)  this year is the tie breaker.... :D

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Reply #19
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you can't run a wastegate on an sc like on a turbo,it does not work properly.


A couple of guys


HERE will disagree with you as to whether it'll run properly or not.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #20
IF you want all a turbo can give you why not just install a turbo, instead of half a turbo connected to a gear box ran by a belt?
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Reply #21
Every application is different.  So are people's experinces with both turbos and blowers.

For every pro turbo article you can find a pro blower article.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #22
Quote from: V8Demon;242162
A couple of guys


HERE will disagree with you as to whether it'll run properly or not.


It'll run properly. Whether it's a good/practical idea or not is debatable. Good link though - that one fellow seemed to be doing it well, though I wasn't convinced he was telling all the details.
11.96 @ 118 MPH old 306 KB; 428W coming soon.

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Reply #23
Boost is Boost the only thing better is Sometimes more Boost as long as you don't blow up anything.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]


http://www.cardomain.com/id/Carpimp1987
1987 T-Bird AEROBIRD-GT had many many mods but is now totaled and is the car that made me want to start customizing everything all over again.
1988 T-Bird 5.0 HO DD/Sleeper/next project car :birdsmily:
1988 Cougar XR7 5.0 HO Vortech Supercharged being bulit right now :cougarsmily:


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Reply #24
:fart: :wtf: :roxor:
11.96 @ 118 MPH old 306 KB; 428W coming soon.

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Reply #25
That article said it could be done but was basically a waste of time as your creating more heat and losing more hp so in other words like i tried to say it can't be done properly.

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Reply #26
Just put in on and don't even add nothing else but what you got unless its a have to thing. Add a UPR 4" boostpipe that thing is F***ing massive and get a new bigger K&N and put that thing on post up a video.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]


http://www.cardomain.com/id/Carpimp1987
1987 T-Bird AEROBIRD-GT had many many mods but is now totaled and is the car that made me want to start customizing everything all over again.
1988 T-Bird 5.0 HO DD/Sleeper/next project car :birdsmily:
1988 Cougar XR7 5.0 HO Vortech Supercharged being bulit right now :cougarsmily:


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Reply #27
Quote from: dominator;242273
That article said it could be done but was basically a waste of time as your creating more heat and losing more hp so in other words like i tried to say it can't be done properly.


No, the guys who hadn't done it said that.  I'll agree with you somewhat and say that there are downsides....Whether or not they outway the "positives"....

Another read: 

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107261

Post #18 has pics of the guy's setup from the first thread....Interestingly enough he has since sold that wastegate.  I have no idea why or what he changed to (if anything).

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I did a story in Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords about using a Wastegate from a turbocharger. It was used to regulate boost as we pullied the blower up big time. Closed, the engine saw 18 psi of boost and open we dropped it down to 15 psi for pump gas use. It worked great, my only regret is NOT comparing 15 psi of wastegate regulated boost vs. straight up 15 psi of boost with pulleys. 'Till this day, I wish I would have compared the two. Maybe it will be nice to revisit in the future.

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_0708_vortech_centrifugal_supercharger_wastegate_install/index.html

I have a good friend of mine who has a Paxton 2200 HO kit on his 2006 Mustang. Those who read the magazine might remember it from the Blower vs. Turbo story and the 12s or Bust article. Anyway, he just added a wastegate to his Paxton combo and it works awesome. The car has outstanding low-end boost with the typical top-end charge. He has it set to 15 psi of boost.

I have to warn you. The story has caused quite a bit of controversy on message boards. I even had blower reps tell me that it wouldn't work. The biggest argument I recieved was that the heat generated from the blower from spinning it so hard and the extra power it took to spin it, would cause a loss in power. the blower reps even told me that blower surge would kill off power potential. I am not saying I know more than those guys, I was going to write the story whether it worked or didn't work. In the situation I dealt with, the wastegate worked just fine and output was really nice. You can see the aggressive nature of the boost curve too, it was flatter than a normal centrifugal curve.

The guy who did the gate for the story does quite a bit of dyno work on both turbo and blowers. In his vast experience, that combo worked better than straight up 15 psi on similar combos. He has done quite a few similar combinations. The major benefit of the wastegate combo was so the customer just had to add race fuel to the tank and flip a switch at the track. That was it, the switch closed the wastegate and changed to a race fuel tune in the computer. My buddy's '06 Paxton car has it so he gets more low-end boost without risking over-boosting at higher rpm.


FWIW I'd put a BOV/by-pass valve on ANY centri-especially a Powerdyne.  Set it for the amount of boost it'll make at RPM.
I.E a 9 pound BOV/BPV for a 9 pound pulley/belt.

Why?

Where's all that air going when you let off the gas and slam the throttle closed?
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #28
Yes, but many/most people with centris do a bypass back to the inlet for when they let off the gas to protect the S/C, though I know you realize that that's a completely different situation than using a wastegate controller to blow off boost at a particular boost level so higher pulley ratios can be used.
11.96 @ 118 MPH old 306 KB; 428W coming soon.

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Reply #29
Quote from: Carpimp1987;242211
Boost is Boost the only thing better is Sometimes more Boost as long as you don't blow up anything.




um no...  boost is just a measure of a restriction some place in the intake side of the motor....  more boost is NOT bettter....  at least not all the time anyways...  less boost but the same power is better...:D

When I get a motor freshened up for spring I will up the boost to 9, and shoot for the 350rwhp range...