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Reply #90
I have a feeling he's been promptly driven out, and we won't likely be seeing him again. It's kind of embarrassing. I think the torches and pitchforks can go back in the shed for now.

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Reply #91
Mabe he'll be back.
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Reply #92
He'll be back...Hopefully he'll keep an open mind about the situation or at least start to open it up a bit. 


Quote from: oldraven
I think the torches and pitchforks can go back in the shed for now.


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Reply #93
I'm not one to bash him either.....as the point has been made.  Young guys trying to impress the older guys, perhaps, but hopefully he understands what'[s at stake.

To build a motor up to 500 hp is not that hard.....in general.
But to properly match the hp to the high end of a car, and to match the torque to the low end of the car (IE the weight of the car) And to get equally impressive results without spending $10,000, all the while keeping the car streetable via handling and ride comfort...is an art.

Which an arguement could be had to why Ford engineers didn't put 500hp into the car already.
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Reply #94
There weren't too many OEM cars that HAD 500 HP in the '80's.

Case in point:  http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE2DF133EF930A2575BC0A96E948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

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Carroll Shelby, no stranger to speed, has expressed concern. As a race driver, he won the 24-hour race at Le Mans, France, and a national driving championship. His Shelby Automobiles Company added muscle to Ford cars in the late 1960's and now produces higher-performance versions of some Chrysler models.

Mr. Shelby argues that most drivers are incapable of handling cars with 400 horsepower. (None of his approach that figure). He said:

''You get a bunch of 18-year-old kids out in those things, and they're a menace. And if you get the insurance people and the Government bureaucrats riled up, they'll shut the whole performance industry down the way they did before. I'm scared we're going to commit suicide again.''


Interesting....

and this:

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The point of the ZR-1, Mr. Stempel said, is to demonstrate that G.M. can produce a very fast car while still meeting all emission and fuel economy rules - a feat that has eluded foreign manufacturers.


The antithesis of the OP's reasoning there.

Coversly, while horsepower has increased, so has weight.  Let's face it.  The average car buyer in North America wants ultra convenience.

http://www.hybridcars.com/news2/17-year-decline-fuel-economy.html

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But Joseph White, writing in the Wall Street Journal, dug a bit deeper in the EPA’s report to find a few startling figures:

Compared with 1987, the average weight of the vehicle we drive has risen by 923 pounds, or 29%. The average time it takes for a vehicle to go from zero to 60 miles per hour time has dropped to 9.6 seconds--the fastest since the EPA started compiling this data in 1975. Our average car or truck has 223 horsepower, and the most horsepower per pound on record.

...If 2007 cars were as light on average as 1981 cars, our national average car fuel economy (according to the unadjusted EPA lab figures) would be 13% better than current reality. If 2007 model trucks were the same weight as the average for 1981, their fuel efficiency rating would be 35% better.
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Reply #95
There's alot of truth in that post Paul, especially the quote from Shelby.  Most drivers, especially someone the OP's age, have no need for a car with that much power.  I kind of question his dad's thought process too for thinking it's reasonable to help his kids put together (or try and put together) cars with this kind of power to drive on the street. 
Sorry, but any kid of mine will NEVER have a car available to them like that to drive, period.
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Reply #96
My first car had 3-cylinders, and I'm glad it did. If there had been any more I wouldn't be here right now.

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Reply #97
Quote from: Chuck W;220195
There's alot of truth in that post Paul, especially the quote from Shelby.  Most drivers, especially someone the OP's age, have no need for a car with that much power.  I kind of question his dad's thought process too for thinking it's reasonable to help his kids put together (or try and put together) cars with this kind of power to drive on the street. 
Sorry, but any kid of mine will NEVER have a car available to them like that to drive, period.


Yeah, it makes me sick how many parents will buy their kids fast cars right when they get their license (or any time before theyre ready).  My dad's friend works at a Honda dealership body shop and one time they had a brand new Civic Si come in wrecked with 7 miles on the odometer.  The kid was 16 and his parents just bought it for him.  He didn't even get it home...

I didn't get my license till I was 18, and I didn't get to do the HO conversion till many months later.

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Reply #98
Well, I just find it amazing how this kid even realistically thought that kind of swap would give him better gas mileage.  I also find it amazing how he even got to the point of questioning the knowledge of some more "seasoned" enthusiasts.  Youngans.......

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Reply #99
Its dumb ideas like this which give the rest of the younger car enthusiasts a bad reputation.  want a turbo 6 cylinder go for it its not that odd hell ive seen a turbo 6 banger in a 71 monty carlo and to throw it way out there it was a 12 valve cummins motor. sadly the only way you could really think about getting good fuel mileage out of a 500 horse motor was if it was a 250-300 hp motor with a shot of nitrous and in which case your prlly going to fry the motor.

 You know Im a young guy at 19 but I have to say I dont understand the rest of the population my age. I mean every kid thinks he needs a fast car with all the bells and whistles. My favorite vehicle ive owned was a very plain 71 ford f250 with a 300 6 4 speed and the only optional equipment was power brakes. No power steerin,windows,locks, AC hell it had the original vinyl bench seat at topped out at 67mph not because of a rev limiter but the redline but that old truck drew more attention than any other ive seen in a long time just b/c it was "unmolested" as one old timer put it. anway im getting off topic i think until u can afford to do all the mods yourself you should be driving a unmolested car and dont forget one factor here Speeding tickets suck

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Reply #100
Actually a engine capable of 500hp can get as good as mileage as a 200hp one... Trick is to never tromp the throttle and produce more than 200hp... Wonder what odds in Vegas would be on such a deal???

When I sprayed my Bird with the 150hp shot of nitrous and produced somewhere near 500hp, it was absolutely wild... Even a 85 shot and a bit over 425Hp, it was all the Nitto Drag Radials could handle... Normal street tires were useless...

 

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Reply #101
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;220319
Actually a engine capable of 500hp can get as good as mileage as a 200hp one... Trick is to never tromp the throttle and produce more than 200hp... Wonder what odds in Vegas would be on such a deal???

When I sprayed my Bird with the 150hp shot of nitrous and produced somewhere near 500hp, it was absolutely wild... Even a 85 shot and a bit over 425Hp, it was all the Nitto Drag Radials could handle... Normal street tires were useless...


Yes, but I'm sure TT Supra kid has something planned which will make his car get 30MPG and run completely tame on street radials from Wal-Mart.