The Goat dies again...... February 26, 2006, 07:00:02 PM Or should I say the Americanized Holden Monero dies?Here's the Article: http://www.gmplanet.com/pontiac/pontiac_gto_discontinued_1_000604.asp Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #1 – February 26, 2006, 07:13:43 PM haha...that was quick... Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #2 – February 26, 2006, 07:15:09 PM That doesn't surprise me.A co-worker of mine had a GTO; yellow with an automatic transmission. The car spent more time at the dealer than it did in her driveway. After numerous problems, GM bought it back. I did love that exhaust note, though. Nice-looking car. Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #3 – February 26, 2006, 07:20:24 PM dam, i kinda liked them, expecialy with the 6 speeds. we took one around a test track at a proving ground and it was fun. if i had money i'd have probley bought one. Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #4 – February 26, 2006, 08:55:41 PM My friend has an '05 GTO and it is super fun to drive. With 400 horsepower it'll lay rubber down as long as you want it. I never thought the styling was that bad either. I saw a Pontiac Solstice for the first time on Friday afternoon. That looked like a really nice car. Maybe they'll have more luck with that one. Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #5 – February 26, 2006, 09:01:23 PM My buddy also has an '05. Aside from looking like every other Pontiac it's an ok car. I got a kick out of the ass-backwards controls for things like the stereo and the parking brake lever being in the "wrong" spot. I still wouldn't buy one personally.I'm not a fan of the Solstice at all..then again I'm not a big roadster person. Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #6 – February 26, 2006, 10:20:42 PM We knew it was only going to be 3 years when they first came out? How is it a big suprise? They don't meet 2007 crash regs, neither does the Ford GT or Ferrari 575M. My friend John bought a Red 05 6-Speed last summer and it's an awesome car. I actually like the styling. Retro sucks and thank god the GTO concept coming out isn't retro (or so they say...) Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #7 – February 26, 2006, 10:26:28 PM QuoteRetro sucks Not if done correctly and tastefully IMHO. I am biased on the new Stang and the Challenger concept is very nice as well. There was nothing retro about the GTO. Just the name. Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #8 – February 27, 2006, 12:02:59 AM My '69 GTO will always have a special place for me - great memories.... Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #9 – February 27, 2006, 10:06:31 AM Quote from: shame302haha...that was quick...That was the plan from the beginning. Just like the Ford GT. :flip:The current Monaro platform was set to retire long before the GTO ever showed up. Anyone who has been paying attention knew this. We'll be seeing another Pontiac Coupe shortly after the Camaro hits the street. Lutz says it will not be a Firebird of any sort, so I think we'll see the GTO again on the Zeta (new Monaro). Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #10 – February 27, 2006, 11:35:21 AM QuoteI think we'll see the GTO again on the Zeta (new Monaro).I hope they can make it work. Everyone in Europe and Australia loves the Monaro. The Top Gear guys can't say enough good things about it. We Americans just don't know a good car when we see one I guess. We bitch when something "retro" comes out. Then when someone tries to make something new (at least for here in the US) we bitch because the styling is bland. What a fickle bunch we are. :o Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #11 – February 27, 2006, 02:40:50 PM QuoteWe knew it was only going to be 3 years when they first came out? How is it a big suprise?We were told by GM that the PLATFORM the GTO was on would be revamped. They just decided to kill it all together.3 model years, only 45,000 units sold in the first 2, shipping from Australia, changes to meet US emissions, tooling at the plant for GTO specific parts.......Did GM make any money on this? Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #12 – February 27, 2006, 03:28:14 PM Quote from: Paul FlockhartWe were told by GM that the PLATFORM the GTO was on would be revamped. They just decided to kill it all together.3 model years, only 45,000 units sold in the first 2, shipping from Australia, changes to meet US emissions, tooling at the plant for GTO specific parts.......Did GM make any money on this?It all depends on the article you're looking at. I read two different articles in one day stating that the GTO is gone, and the other that the GTO will be on hiatus while the new Monaro is being made new. Yet another that the GTO will be distinctly designed in America to look more Goatish, and also that the GTO will get the same Pontiafication job on a Monaro body, just as before.http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17808http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060221/REG/60221009/1003/newsletter08&refsect=newsletter08 Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #13 – February 27, 2006, 03:45:39 PM QuoteWe Americans just don't know a good car when we see one I guess. We bitch when something "retro" comes out. Then when someone tries to make something new (at least for here in the US) we bitch because the styling is bland. What a fickle bunch we are.Jim, we certainly do know good cars...we're driving them. There are too many vehicles available today, and that's the problem. When our cars were new, they stood out because everything else was when you compared apples to apples. Now, everything is more or less on the same playing field. It's far too easy for a unique or "good" car to slip through the cracks. The vehicles that stand out are the ones whose styling is unique unto itself.And that was not the GTO. Was it a large Cavalier? Was it a sort-of 2-door Grand Prix? Maybe a mix of the two? Sorry, that's not the Pontiac way. Ponchos like to get all up in your grille, shouting from the rooftops about how badass they are. This new GTO never even attempted to do that. The "new" Pontiac is supposedly smoother and stealthier, according to their marketing. Well, the old GTO made no apologies, even claiming to be the 'judge' of other muscle cars. This one didn't even whimper. It deserved all the sales it got, and not one car more.However...the owners love them, and love their 'stealthy' appearance way more than non-owners. So I guess if someone's happy, that's all that counts. It just didn't line GM's pockets like it should have. Clearly this is a case of misdirection in advertising and subsequently, public opinion. Quote Selected
The Goat dies again...... Reply #14 – February 27, 2006, 04:03:30 PM Quote from: EricCoolCatsPonchos like to get all up in your grille, shouting from the rooftops about how badass they are. Well, the old GTO made no apologies, even claiming to be the 'judge' of other muscle cars.The old GTO was a Tempest, and there was no shouting from the rooftops coming from that 'tiger'. It was stealth in the beginning. The 'Judge' of other muscle cars didn't come until flashy was the order of the day.QuoteClearly this is a case of misdirection in public opinion.And you just proved it. The public looked back to The Judge for a definition of the GTO, not its true origins as a tire melting grocery getter. When they found the later, they were disappointed. Quote Selected
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