A point of interest for all Canadians November 24, 2004, 08:40:04 PM Something you should know about.I just found this out today, and am doing every thing I can to find out more about it. Please read the article in its entirity. Be skeptical if you want, but I ask, can you take the risk of this amounting to something? Be assured, it has already started. It began in 2000, when all of your personal information and even tax records were handed over to the US Department of Defense.As for Americans, I imagine you want our military present in your society as much as we want yours. I hope you understand why this is so extremely alarming.Anyway, I call upon you all to ask your MLA what this is all about. They most likely don't have a clue, but get them to look into it. That's what they're payed for, after all. Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #1 – November 24, 2004, 08:58:34 PM As sad as it is, the fact is that Canada does not have a functional military anyway. We have fewer fighter jets in our entire national squadron than the US has on a single aircraft carrier. The few we do have are ancient (C)F18's bought from the USA decades ago. We don't have a single aircraft carrier. We have four used DIESEL submarines that are 40 years obsolete and are unseaworthy. Our "jeeps" are the obsolete, unreliable and dangerous "Iltis". We have a half-dozen Halifax-class Frigates, the pride of our tattered navy. Our flagship helicopters are 40-50 year old Sea Kings that are falling out of the skies. We don't have (officially, anyway) a single nuclear warhead. Our liberal-leaning citezenry has painted the very word "nuclear" with such a bad rap that we don't have a single nuclear powered sub, destroyer, battleship or aricraft carrier. In short: our military has been decimated so badly in the last 50 years (since WWII) that we NEED the US military protection. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the ONLY reason we have any sovereignity at all is because of our protective neighbours to the south. Had the Americans not been on our side we'd surely all be driving Ladas and drinking vodka right now.I don't agree with much of the USA's foreign policy (I am against, among other things, the Iraq war) but I am still glad to have 'em as neighbours. I certainly don't believe that they are after Canada's sovereignity. If they wanted it, they would simply come and take it. The fact is, even if they did they would likely meet with little resistance (although with George running the show again the resistance would be more than it normally would). Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #2 – November 24, 2004, 10:04:22 PM Carmen, I beg of you to read the entire thing. Anyone who is willing to have ANY military presence form another country into your land is risking loss of freedom. Did you read the part about this giving US military the ability to arrest Canadian citizens? Did you read how all of your personal information, including tax history, was provided to the US Department of Defense in 2000, following 9-11? How about giving free passage of US military into our lands, skies, and waters?Can you risk that happening? I can't. And the US is not our only ally with power. We are still a member of the Commonwealth, remember.Agreed, our military is in DIRE need of more funding and equipment. But the day this takes over, is the day I start rebeling. This is a HUGE threat to the sovereignty of Canada, Mexico, and central/south America. Don't forget the Caribbean. This isn't a what if. We're already in the process. The information isn't being hidden from either peoples. It's just not being made public knowledge. Martin and his cronies (who I admittedly voted in) are relying on the ignorance of Canadians to get this through un-noticed.I urge you to take heed. At the very least, ask your MLA. Can you take the risk of sitting on this? Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #3 – November 24, 2004, 10:10:54 PM Quote from: Thunder ChickenHad the Americans not been on our side we'd surely all be driving Ladas and drinking vodka right now.Now dont you be sayin nothin bad about Vodka! all right? :brick: Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #4 – November 24, 2004, 10:28:11 PM Come on, chant along with me!"Vodka morning noon and night make Russian women look ALRIGHT.." Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #5 – November 24, 2004, 11:04:16 PM i dont like war, I don't like war! I like canada because of its lack of military and war status, I want us soliders to stay the fornicate out, no offense. Welp, if this happens I give it 10 years before the states takes us over. Goodbye Canada, that's all I can say. Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #6 – November 24, 2004, 11:19:49 PM Unless, of course, you get as many Canadians as you can to agnowledge these new policies before they take effect. Go to your MLA, take a stand. If we needed a unified North American military force, we'd know it. I simply believe this is a way to fund a broke military, and make one big America.Sounds paranoid, but you, to the south, don't know what it's like looking in from the outside. Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #7 – November 24, 2004, 11:29:20 PM Well, I can tell you that I'm pretty sure it's all a governmental thing.. because I honestly don't know of any American that's ever told me: "Hey, let's absorb Canada". I have no beef with Canada, personally.. but most other Americans I know make light fun of Canada (like the tired old currency jokes, or the "eh" thing.. stuff like that) and just don't give it much thought beyond that. Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #8 – November 24, 2004, 11:52:47 PM All of this started to help make a anti missle defense system. After 9/11 everyone was so parronoyed of a nuclear attack, that we decided to make one. The problem was that we couldnt protect our north border. I have that we have simialr alliances with mexico and cuba. I think that it is just bull shiznit. Waving the flag of freedom while we conquer and invade! Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #9 – November 25, 2004, 12:10:24 AM Thanks for giving this the benefit of the doubt, guys. It's appreciated.And yes, I'm sure the citizens of the US are as oblivious to these policies as are the Canadians. But the word is getting out. We don't have to be one to be allies. Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #10 – November 25, 2004, 01:39:30 AM Canada is selling top of the line technology but what we own is ... What a country we live in... :dunce: :toilet: :canada: Im also pretty sure the Anti-Missile partnership will not pass here... Some reason people talks here are, if they atack passing by poles, there will be not enough time to react or if they atack and US destroy it over our head, *WE* will suffer from those radiation (Even if no Thermonuclear reaction happen)IMO, What if its a RadioactiveWaste bomb? the real menace arent missiles... It sound more like an other way to control the world from a no frontier environement... (Nothing personal... its just look liike it....)What if an other nation build is own anti-missile? are we gonna build an anti-anti-missile? :disappoin When does the violence escalation will end? :wtf: The public opinion here in Quebec is "We dont care about an anti-missile weapon... we need more money for health/education...."From what i heard, we gave US info on some suspected citizen but not all citizen....Maybe there is some truth in this text but are those source good? it should have make a biggest scandal than the Federal Commandites program....oh... wait.... ill check on TV if they talking about it.... :shakehead My :2c:BTW guys (and ladies), I live at 5 min (in car) of the Ex-Iraq Embassy of canada (here in Montreal near the Bordeau Prison) I wonder if they will send an other ambassador there someday.... :disappoin :sleep: Thats a 300,000$ house given by our gov in 1970 and its left alone with 3 feet of grass since 1990... (No one living in since...) :screwy: :screwy:What a waste... Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #11 – November 25, 2004, 01:56:07 AM Yay, a US vs Canada thread! Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #12 – November 25, 2004, 08:09:00 AM QuoteYay, a US vs Canada thread!lmao... geez.the whole anti-missle thing is stoopid. who the heck is going to attack us with a missle??? that's all we need is more useless technology in the name of National Security. i kinda feel sorry for you guy's up north. looks like Uncle Bush is moving in. Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #13 – November 25, 2004, 09:05:36 AM "Guh... our prezident Bush is gon' keep us safe by a-takin' over them commie Canadians... we love our president." Quote Selected
Re: A point of interest for all Canadians Reply #14 – November 25, 2004, 10:18:16 AM Quote from: IfixyawataYay, a US vs Canada thread!Well, that wasn't the intention. My problem is with how stupid our own leadership is for allowing something like this to happen.Imagine if the US opened up its waters, lands, and skies to, say, the British military. Now, imagine that military to be about the size of China's, in comparison to your own. You know you're allies, but it still sounds mighty stupid, doesn't it?The thing that me off most is that not three months ago, I watched Bush address his nation. He named every ally he had, starting with the biggest, Britain, but left Canada out of that list. His largest, closest neighbour. He had the gall to say that while our soldiers are still fighting and dying in Afganistan. But now we're all best buds? What a ****in freak.Again, I have no problem with Americans, but I take issue with your government when they try to pull something like this. Quote Selected
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