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Reply #75 – September 14, 2005, 10:14:15 AM

Quote from: Bird351

Also, for something oldraven said: What does it get you, exactly, to be a "true enthusiast" or whatever vs. a "fanboy"? (I hate that term.. also hate the term "closed minded", because it's little more than "You don't see things my way, so you're closed minded" when the vast majority of people use the term now) Does it earn you a discount on gas or parts or something? If not, it's worthless.. at least as I see it.

I guess I should clear that up then.

That would be a very closed minded definition of the term 'closed minded'.

jk, man. Take it in the context of, "I refuse to see something in any other way than my own, simply for the sake of it. I am never wrong, even when proven so. I can't accpet anything that isn't within these particular parameters". A perfect description of Fanboy, which is a term that usually irks me too, but it just fits the situation too well. If you can't accept the successes of a competitor or failures of your own favorite, there's a problem.

And being a true enthusiast will get you something. More respect from me and many like me.

BTW, I like the idea of a straight six TurboCoupe clone (emphasis on 'clone'). In fact, I wish Ford had thought of it first. Are there any sixes that came from FoMoCo that aren't truck engines/boat anchors? Didn't the Capri have one?

Quote from: Chuck W

As far as the LS2 swap into the Cobra goes.....meh.

Holy shiznit. If you saw an LS2 in a Cobra, there would be even more controversy. And it would be an even cooler car than the LS1 Cobra. 400 bowtie branded horses in a Ford Pony. That's just cool, and as unique as you can get.

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Reply #76 – September 14, 2005, 10:27:57 AM

Quote from: oldraven

Holy shiznit. If you saw an LS2 in a Cobra, there would be even more controversy. And it would be an even cooler car than the LS1 Cobra. 400 bowtie branded horses in a Ford Pony. That's just cool, and as unique as you can get.

Oops

Typo......

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Reply #77 – September 14, 2005, 11:16:47 AM

Quote from: Thunder Chicken

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And an LS1 swap couldn't really be considered a bellybutton bowtie swap anyway because the LS1 shares nothing with the old small blocks except its bore spacing. . .

Not even, the LS1 has siamesed bores, 350's don't. It probably has more in common with the 302 than the 350 (ford-like equal spaced exhaust ports). It just flat out ain't any old "chevy small block'.

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Reply #78 – September 14, 2005, 11:17:38 AM

Quote from: oldraven

I guess I should clear that up then. That would be a very closed minded definition of the term 'closed minded'. jk, man. Take it in the context of, "I refuse to see something in any other way than my own, simply for the sake of it. I am never wrong, even when proven so. I can't accpet anything that isn't within these particular parameters". A perfect description of Fanboy, which is a term that usually irks me too, but it just fits the situation too well. If you can't accept the successes of a competitor or failures of your own favorite, there's a problem.

And being a true enthusiast will get you something. More respect from me and many like me.

BTW, I like the idea of a straight six TurboCoupe clone (emphasis on 'clone'). In fact, I wish Ford had thought of it first. Are there any sixes that came from FoMoCo that aren't truck engines/boat anchors? Didn't the Capri have one?

Well I can't speak for everyone else on the successes of GM or what not, but aside from the fact that I have family that still works for GM, (so I guess I would hope on *some* level they succeed) I simply don't care what GM does.

Nothing personal, but I tend to see the "respect" thing (at least in the context of this thread) as "that and 35 cents will get you a phone call". Someone else's respect of my car knowledge and appreciation doesn't get me any better gas mileage, it doesn't make my car go faster, it doesn't help me maintain it, etc. The people who help me work on the car when I need the extra hands do it because we're friends and have been for a very long time, not because I happen to know this detail or that.

As for the I6s.. my '81 Capri had the 200 with the infamous "log head".. intake and head are one piece. (1v carb, too.. if I recall) What Chuck mentioned was an Australian head that will work on the "small" (144/170/200/250) I6 with some modifications. From what I gather, the crossflow goes a long way toward making the 200/250 less of a boat anchor.

http://fordsix.com/tech/engine/crossflow/crossflow.php
http://fordsix.com/tech/engine/200_swap.php
http://fordsix.com/tech/engine/bigbell.php

Chuck: If you used a small I6, would you use a 200 and try to adapt a transmission to it, or use a 250 for the 289/302/351/etc. bellhousing pattern?

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Reply #79 – September 14, 2005, 11:27:55 AM

Off topic but these pics may inspire you.

62 Farlane

Its a 200 I6 with a T5. He also has done the SN95 front brage upgrade.

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Reply #80 – September 14, 2005, 11:31:13 AM

While knowledge does often buy respect, I was talking more about the ability to accept something outside of your own (not you in particular) predefined box. There's nothing worse than talking to a brick wall. (Kind of like talking to my Dad about Toyota. They can do no wrong, even when it's laid out in front of him. They can bold faced lie to their customers about the success of Hybrid Synergy Drive, but it will never shed poor light on the company, or even make it into the media, yet every single bump in GM or Ford's road is international scandal. You've got to see how being closed minded in that respect will grate on a guy's nerves.)

And yes, respect is still important to some of us.

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Reply #81 – September 14, 2005, 11:36:02 AM

Quote from: Bird351

Chuck: If you used a small I6, would you use a 200 and try to adapt a transmission to it, or use a 250 for the 289/302/351/etc. bellhousing pattern?

I'm going to use the 200 (it's 2/3 of a SBF pattern anyway, and it's not that hard to adapt....

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Reply #82 – September 14, 2005, 11:37:51 AM

i love the I6 fords.. mmmm they are tasty

yes the capri did have one. I had a carpi with one.
the mustang came with one in the 60's/early 70's and in the 80's.

the truck came with one, and mercury marine made one.

ford tractors since the 30's(i think the 30's...??) have had a version of this engine also.

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Reply #83 – September 14, 2005, 11:40:41 AM

Quote from: Chuck W

Oops Typo......

:D Chevy and their multitude of LX#'s.

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Reply #84 – September 14, 2005, 12:10:44 PM

why not use a 300 i6? They would have more power, and you could get them fuel injected easier. All you would have to do is find on in a truck. Then a standard sbf tranny would bolt up. I dont think the 300 i6 would weigh too much more then the 200. And the 300 is easier to find.(bronco's f150's lots others)

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Reply #85 – September 14, 2005, 12:15:27 PM

Quote from: Haystack

why not use a 300 i6? They would have more power, and you could get them fuel injected easier. All you would have to do is find on in a truck. Then a standard sbf tranny would bolt up. I dont think the 300 i6 would weigh too much more then the 200. And the 300 is easier to find.(bronco's f150's lots others)

I'm guessing the reason why Chuck W recommends againts it is due to the fact that you are placing too much weight in front of the K-member (the 300 is a very long motor and will not sit dead center on the K-member like a V8) which will make the car too nose heavy and greatly compromise handling.

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Reply #86 – September 14, 2005, 12:19:29 PM

Quote from: Haystack

why not use a 300 i6? They would have more power, and you could get them fuel injected easier. All you would have to do is find on in a truck. Then a standard sbf tranny would bolt up. I dont think the 300 i6 would weigh too much more then the 200. And the 300 is easier to find.(bronco's f150's lots others)

Because I'm an obstinant PITA. The Aussie aluminum X-flow head also does not bolt up to a BB I-6. I'm also not looking for stock FI and electronics. As far as power goes...I think the turbo will solve that issue.. :D Also, as I've already mentioned...the way the weight is going to be oriented in the car does not excite me either....

You should know by now that trying to tell me the "easier" or more direct approach doesn't work. :giggle: I'm going to do it my way.

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Reply #87 – September 14, 2005, 12:29:27 PM

Just throwing it out. One of these days you will listen to someone. Just like that one time that you recommended a 5.0 ho.

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Reply #88 – September 14, 2005, 12:41:11 PM

Quote from: Haystack

One of these days you will listen to someone. Just like that one time that you recommended a 5.0 ho.

HA! Not likely.

Also, the 5.0 recommendation was based on the situation with the person involved. I can't expect everyone to have the same predilictions I do towards powerplant choices :hick: Some folks want easy.

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Reply #89 – September 14, 2005, 01:24:14 PM

Would a 300 six even fit in a Fox engine bay? And if it did, would you be able to close the hood?

Clifford makes some cool-ass stuff for the 300 six (dual quads anyone?), but I was always under the impression that a 300 wouldn't exactly fit in the engine bay of a car.