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Reply #15
I know I'm going to get some flack for this, but don't rule out other modern US cars. My daily driver is a 2005 Pontiac G6. Engine still runs like new with 152,000 miles. I haven't had hardly any issues with it. You can pick them up these days for $3-5k.
Cornfed85

1985 Thunderbird - 3.8 V6, C5  :ford:  :birdsmily:

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Reply #16
I had a 1993 Mark VIII. The little onboard computer would be listing faults for half my trip: "BEEP! Door Ajar BEEP! Trunk Ajar BEEP! Coolant Low BEEP! Air Ride Fault BEEP! Washer Fluid Low" and on and on. None of those things were actually wrong (except the air ride), just bad sensors/electronics. It was fun and fast, but to say it was high-maintenance would be an understatement. By the time I got rid of it, I think the drivetrain was the only thing left that still functioned properly.

My two most reliable vehicles: My good 'ol 1983 Cougar 5.0. I ran that thing to pieces, literally. I bought it with 62k miles, I sold it with about 170k. I only got rid of it because it was about rusted in half, lol. Thanks Ohio! My second favorite is a tie between a couple Chevy Astro vans I have had. They last forever. I have had about 7 of them in my life, 4 of which had nearly 300k miles. Again, I only got rid of them for the severe rust that comes with driving around here.
CoogarXR : 1985 Cougar XR-7

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Reply #17
I know I'll get flamed for this but here it goes: can he buy a new car? Like brand new? I know it's not possible for some people but if you can it's the best way to go. Here's my reasoning:

Yes you'll need a down payment and have a monthly payment for 4-5 years but you get a car that's new. If it has problems it will be under warranty and fixed for free. Plus if you buy it new you'll know the maintenance history of the car from day one. Now this only makes sense if you plan on buying the car and keeping it till the wheels fall off, which is what my family usually does (ie 10-15 years). If one keeps buying $4000 used cars every two years after 10 years they have spent $20000. Buy a $20000 car and after 10 years you've spent the same amount of money and put 5 years worth of payments in the bank (based on a 5 year loan) giving you a nice down payment on a new car or the ability to buy it for cash outright.

Of course this doesn't work in every situation but if he can swing buying a new car then I would go for it. A 20ish year old car is going to need work and not be the most reliable thing as a daily driver.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #18
Quote from: thunderjet302;442952
I know I'll get flamed for this but here it goes: can he buy a new car? Like brand new? I know it's not possible for some people but if you can it's the best way to go. Here's my reasoning:

Yes you'll need a down payment and have a monthly payment for 4-5 years but you get a car that's new. If it has problems it will be under warranty and fixed for free. Plus if you buy it new you'll know the maintenance history of the car from day one. Now this only makes sense if you plan on buying the car and keeping it till the wheels fall off, which is what my family usually does (ie 10-15 years). If one keeps buying $4000 used cars every two years after 10 years they have spent $20000. Buy a $20000 car and after 10 years you've spent the same amount of money and put 5 years worth of payments in the bank (based on a 5 year loan) giving you a nice down payment on a new car or the ability to buy it for cash outright.

Of course this doesn't work in every situation but if he can swing buying a new car then I would go for it. A 20ish year old car is going to need work and not be the most reliable thing as a daily driver.

I believe buying a new car is possibly the worst thing a young person can do. There are soooo many older used cars that for whatever reason have very low miles.

Like someone said, there are always going to be faults with anything that is man made, but some faults are more easily corrected than others, like the time bomb auto trannys on the early 00 Accords, and on my 05 Altima SE-R [however, I rebuilt this transmission and added an external cooler, and external filter].

If you look you can find loads of low mile 90's Honda's, Toyotas, and Nissan's out there for which, depending on the miles they have, they are pretty much a new car. I bought an 86 SVO Mustang back in 2005 that only had 15k miles on it. The car still smelled new inside. [don't get me wrong, stay away from low mile collectable cars as they are NOT cheap, vs a low mile older Honda.]

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Reply #19
Quote from: M-train;442906
Overall, the newer cars are just too complicated. Too many systems, and subsystems to fail. Anyway, thats JMO...............thanks for the replies.

If complexity is scaring you away from newer cars, I'd recommend staying the hell away from a Mark VIII!!!

If you're looking for something dead-nuts reliable and still has a certain coolness factor to it, look for an 03-up Crown Vic or Grandma Marquis. They are tanks. Probably the most reliable, longest lasting car built by anyone in the past 30 years. I've seen many with over a million miles on 'em (taxi cabs), and they are built to take a beating (cop cars). Try to steer clear of an actual ex-cop-car though, as it will have lived a very hard life.

I wouldn't rule out a new car either. Yes, a new car is a horrible investment, but you are paying for peace of mind, not to mention modern amenities, fuel economy and safety gear. Plus it helps build credit, and there are plenty of options out there for under $200/month. Unless he puts a bunch of miles on, even a lease might make sense - he can walk away from it after three years, or he can hand in the keys, grab a brand new car, and drive away with the same payment...
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

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Reply #20
Have to say, after experience with them and also knowing so many people that own them, the Fusion is a heck of a car for the money. Or Milan or MKZ/Zephyr, whatever your flavor is. Pretty dependable, decent at everything. Just throwing it out there.

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Reply #21
I think the Mark VIII is a nice looking car with a good drive train.  As used and old as they are now, I wouldnt go near them.  Lincolns have too many fancy electrical features and  other "high" end things of the time to fail.  Not the drivetrain, but all the other things that go with it, and all the electric creature comforts. 

For my kids, I prefer what Im familar with, cause Ill be the one working on it.  What are you familiar with, and go with that. 

For me its Fox body era, 79-88 cars.... Mustangs Cougars Tbirds, Bronoco, F150.  I am pretty good with 90-06 Silverados too.  Good trucks.
Mike

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Reply #22
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;442962
If complexity is scaring you away from newer cars, I'd recommend staying the hell away from a Mark VIII!!!

If you're looking for something dead-nuts reliable and still has a certain coolness factor to it, look for an 03-up Crown Vic or Grandma Marquis. They are tanks. Probably the most reliable, longest lasting car built by anyone in the past 30 years. I've seen many with over a million miles on 'em (taxi cabs), and they are built to take a beating (cop cars). Try to steer clear of an actual ex-cop-car though, as it will have lived a very hard life.

I wouldn't rule out a new car either. Yes, a new car is a horrible investment, but you are paying for peace of mind, not to mention modern amenities, fuel economy and safety gear. Plus it helps build credit, and there are plenty of options out there for under $200/month. Unless he puts a bunch of miles on, even a lease might make sense - he can walk away from it after three years, or he can hand in the keys, grab a brand new car, and drive away with the same payment...


Actually I have heard that about the Crown Vic's reliability so that may be the way to go. I've been a Ford guy all of my life until just a few years ago when I bought my first Camry [used 95] so I might do a little research on that car.

Anything that comes to mind about the Crown Vic's, I'm not talking about trivial things like bad door handles, but bigger issues like ECU problems. I know from being in hot rodding that the engine is fine as well as the 4r75w trans, so that is a plus.

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Reply #23
Question, when I worked at Homeland Security back in the early 2000's, they had a fleet of Crown Vic's that had the DOHC engine, and aluminum driveshaft.

After doing a little looking on the net, I can't find any CV's that had this engine. I know it was a DOHC as I saw it with my own eyes so know its not an urban legand. Is there a special trim letters that the CV had to denote the DOHC engine?

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Reply #24
Sure it wasn't a 03-04 Marauder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Marauder?

No Crown Victoria/Police Interceptor was ever produced with a 4.6 DOHC V8. They were all 4.6 SOHC engines. All Crown Victoria/Police Interceptors had aluminum driveshafts though. It's not a rare thing.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #25
Quote from: thunderjet302;443036
Sure it wasn't a 03-04 Marauder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Marauder?

No Crown Victoria/Police Interceptor was ever produced with a 4.6 DOHC V8. They were all 4.6 SOHC engines. All Crown Victoria/Police Interceptors had aluminum driveshafts though. It's not a rare thing.

Yep, it was the DOHC. I'm a Ford guy, and spotted that engine as soon as the hood was popped. No mistaking those huge valve covers. No Marauder though as I would have been all over it even more than the DOHC CV. I did try to get a friend to buy a Marauder when he sold his parents house as he is a big guy, and the Marauder would have been great for him [but, in the end he is the very definition of cheap].

The black CV at HS was the car all of the "important" people got to drive. I got to move it once from around front to inside the fence in the rear, and of course I did take the looong way around. Fun car.

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Reply #26
Probably built for HS by an aftermarket supplier. When I used to build cop cars one of the ones I worked on was an armoured '96 Buick Roadmonster. It had a marine 454 in it that could run on gasoline or propane. This car belonged to the RCMP's VIP security division, the guys that escorted foreign dignitaries on official visits. This particular car was the "wife car", the one the dignitary's wife would have been transported in. It was very heavily armoured and had onboard life support in case of chemical attack, but looked like a regular Roadmonster except for the bulletproof windows. The actual dignitary would have been driven around in a stretched and armoured car
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

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Reply #27
Some years ago...99, 2000 or so, I was at the local Ford dealer to get some parts I'd ordered. The parts counter is just inside the shop door, from there, one can see whatever is being worked on. I was pretty familiar with the people there, so when I saw the first County Sheriff's CVPI with it's hood up, I walked over to check it out.

It too had the DOHC 4.6. And right away, some mechanic I'd never seen before came up and told me I needed to walk away, that it was a prototype car and the public didn't need to know what it had.

But, as above, it was definitely a 4 cam 4.6 under the hood.

That was the first CV our sheriff's dept had...before that they used their own personal cars and the county reimbursed the deputies/sheriff for mileage, maintenance, etc.

Now the Sheriff drives some sort of chevy truck and it too has a not stock engine, and the chief deputy drives on of those bad-ass explorers..eco boost, or whatever. The city cops over in brookfield are running a couple of ex HP chargers now. Big times in Podunk, North Missouri.
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

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Reply #28
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;443110
Some years ago...99, 2000 or so, I was at the local Ford dealer to get some parts I'd ordered. The parts counter is just inside the shop door, from there, one can see whatever is being worked on. I was pretty familiar with the people there, so when I saw the first County Sheriff's CVPI with it's hood up, I walked over to check it out.

It too had the DOHC 4.6. And right away, some mechanic I'd never seen before came up and told me I needed to walk away, that it was a prototype car and the public didn't need to know what it had.

But, as above, it was definitely a 4 cam 4.6 under the hood.

That was the first CV our sheriff's dept had...before that they used their own personal cars and the county reimbursed the deputies/sheriff for mileage, maintenance, etc.

Now the Sheriff drives some sort of chevy truck and it too has a not stock engine, and the chief deputy drives on of those bad-ass explorers..eco boost, or whatever. The city cops over in brookfield are running a couple of ex HP chargers now. Big times in Podunk, North Missouri.

Yep, like I said, its hard for a Ford guy to miss those huge valve covers. I wish I could find that car now. Hell, maybe I will try to find it, as they usually auctioned off most of the vehicles there after a given time. I would almost bet they bought the car through a local dealer.

Anyone have any idea on how to find something like this?

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Reply #29
Could just swap a dohc into a crown vic....
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
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1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
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