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Car won't start all of the sudden...

Reply #30
@V8Demon, I've got one of those plates I didn't reuse when I rebuilt, I'll check to see if I can locate it today.  If I find it, it's yours for shipping.

Car won't start all of the sudden...

Reply #31
I have one of those plates in my rolling tool box. I will see how it goes today, then go from there. I will certainly keep the plate open as an option today. I forgot I had it til you mentioned it. LOL.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Car won't start all of the sudden...

Reply #32
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;442692
@V8Demon, I've got one of those plates I didn't reuse when I rebuilt, I'll check to see if I can locate it today.  If I find it, it's yours for shipping.

Deal.  I'll PM you  ;)
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #33
Actually, I have two of them I think. One for my car, and one that has an adjuster in it that is slightly stripped (the allen head part) but works. If I can find it, you can have it for nothing. I'll never use it. I'll be heading to the garage pretty soon and will let you know.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Car won't start all of the sudden...

Reply #34
Quote from: vinnietbird;442693
I have one of those plates in my rolling tool box. I will see how it goes today, then go from there. I will certainly keep the plate open as an option today. I forgot I had it til you mentioned it. LOL.

Truthfully I had been meaning to do it myself when I had issues last winter.  Then it warmed up, I redid all my vacuum lines, and everything turned smooth as silk.  The bottom dropped out here the other day as well.  4 degrees.  I am not losing any batteries to the winter this year (lost THREE last year -- one of them was only a couple of months old) so I've been starting everything and letting them run for a few minutes every couple of days.....
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #35
I, too, have one of those plates that some guy gave me when he unloaded his failed Mustang project LOL.
If it wasn't winter I'd drive down and hang out...I swore I was going to make one of your local cruise-ins / shows and never made good on it. Needs to change this year, growing really bored of being the only Thundercat guy in town while everyone else drives literally EVERYTHING else BUT these cars...
1987 20th Anniversary Cougar, 302 "5.0" GT-40 heads (F3ZE '93 Cobra) and TMoss Ported H.O. intake, H.O. camshaft
2.5" Duals, no cats, Flowmaster 40s, Richmond 3.73s w/ Trac-Lok, maxed out Baumann shift kit, 3000 RPM Dirty Dog non-lock TC
Aside from the Mustang crinkle headers, still looks like it's only 150 HP...
1988 Black XR7 Trick Flow top end, Tremec 3550
1988 Black XR7 Procharger P600B intercooled, Edelbrock Performer non-RPM heads, GT40 intake AOD, 13 PSI @5000 RPM. 93 octane

Car won't start all of the sudden...

Reply #36
undo the coil to dizzy plug wire at the dizzy and pull slack over to your strut tower
insert spark plug into the end
clamp down the threads of the plug somehow to a strut tower frame bolt.
in a dark environment, crank your car
the spark needs to be blueish -white looking spark
if its orange or there abouts, then it coil related.


next
reconnect your coil to dizzy wire
undo the spark plug wire from cyl 5 or 6 and pull slack up to the strut tower
insert a spark plug into the end
clamp down the threads of the plug somehow to a strut tower frame bolt.
in a dark environment, crank your car and It may attempt to start but ignore
the spark needs to be blueish -white looking spark
if its orange or there abouts, then its tfi or pip related

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Reply #37
Quote from: TOM Renzo;442656
Dont forget the PIP. Also stay away from those aftermarket ignition parts. THEY SUCK. Good luck brother hang in there we will get you through this.


on another thread you busted my balls for buying from the dealer.......  you specifically said and referenced that the dealer parts also suck

clarify where we should buy

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Reply #38
I am collecting NOS parts. I found a guy (looking for him now) selling TFI modules for 5 speed cars for $15.00 each. NOS in the box. Also, I'm looking for a few more sensors as I find them, and the budget allows. I did get two new Bosch O2 sensors, NOS, for $9 each still in the boxes.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Car won't start all of the sudden...

Reply #39
Quote from: jcassity;442703
undo the coil to dizzy plug wire at the dizzy and pull slack over to your strut tower
insert spark plug into the end
clamp down the threads of the plug somehow to a strut tower frame bolt.
in a dark environment, crank your car
the spark needs to be blueish -white looking spark
if its orange or there abouts, then it coil related.


next
reconnect your coil to dizzy wire
undo the spark plug wire from cyl 5 or 6 and pull slack up to the strut tower
insert a spark plug into the end
clamp down the threads of the plug somehow to a strut tower frame bolt.
in a dark environment, crank your car and It may attempt to start but ignore
the spark needs to be blueish -white looking spark
if its orange or there abouts, then its tfi or pip related

Good info. I gotta try that out and see what I find.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Car won't start all of the sudden...

Reply #40
Quote from: jcassity;442704
on another thread you busted my balls for buying from the dealer.......  you specifically said and referenced that the dealer parts also suck

clarify where we should buy

Whatever and wherever you feel comfortable/ have good experience with.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

Car won't start all of the sudden...

Reply #41
Will it fire at all after it stalls? If you hold the throttle slightly open will it start? If it doesn't have you tried holding the throttle wide open and cranking it to see if it fires (EEC flooded engine clearing mode)?

If you have no spark then it could be coil/TFI/PIP (ignition module in distributor) problems. The EEC will sometimes show a code for a bad TFI or PIP but it basically has to have failed. Nothing will show up for an intermittent problem.

Spark and fuel ok? Then it needs more air. Your IAC may be bad or you need the idle adjuster.

Just to double check you're sure you put all the grounds back correctly and nothing arched or shorted with the head swap? With this problem and the previous one it's sounding like some sort of electrical issue, perhaps even an EEC one.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #42
So tom, since you know there is no spark, why isn't there? What exactly is broken and what exactly needs replaced? I find it amazing you also know there are no grounding issues, bad relays, low fuel pressure, or any other random problem. The sbftech write up tells you not only why it doesn't start, but why and what to replace.

These cars are extremely reliable, as are most aftermarket parts and pretty cheap and easy to maintain. I find it mind boggling that i can drive 500-1000 miles. Week without issue, and a much nicer nd better maintained car with a ton of new parts can't. The only reason to be wasting time and money is if you don't troubleshoot and just throw parts at it blindly.

I quickly see this thread turning into another 6 pages, and ending with the same problem. Nothing ment but love vinnie. I want to see your car running too.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

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Reply #43
Enough with the arguing. Every time someone has an engine issue, it goes to half a dozen pages of check this, replace that. And it's always the same folks every time.


There's like 4 posts of relevant info, everything else is opinionated regurgitation of previously mentioned or common sense info.

One thing is for sure though, I'd much have rather have motorcraft ignition parts on my engine than MSD or Accel.

Give the man a chance to look and work on it a bit, and see what he says before we go another 20 posts of banter about codes, where to buy parts, and who has the better idea.

(the spark plug flame "color" test is alright...if you suspect the coil, by all means replace it if you have another good one, and see if there's a change).
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

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Reply #44
But it's winter...  We HAVE to argue!!!!! Lol!  I should be fixing up the Lincoln, but it's too cold and I'm currently the sickest I've been in at least a decade... Not to mention half my house is under renovation..... I hate winter....
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!