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Rocker adjustment....

Reply #60 –
I honestly don't remember. I do know that I've had the Mass Air conversion for a few years now. Zero issues. Now, once the heads,cam and rockers are on, she's acting up. NOW, I did have the idle right, and the timing was at 12 degrees. I went to 18 and it started getting hinky. SO, after work, I'm going to drop it to 16 and see what happens.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #61 –
Quote from: Aerocoupe;439841
Do you have the VSS wires connected to the VSS on your ECC harness? I believe they are pins 3 & 6.

Darren

Good read on that here:  http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?38096-Mass-air-conversion-question
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #62 –
I did not add those. I also never had any issues until now either, so, maybe I need them......I will give it a shot when I can get to the boneyard and grab the correct wires and go from there. Thanks.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

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Reply #63 –
By the way, I dropped the timing down to around 16 (I gotta double check that), and the car still died. I don't have time to do a new base idle reset, so, I simply turned the throttle stop screw a wee bit for a few rpms. It'll do until I have time to get into it this weekend. I am still seeking answers, but, will roll with what I have as well. Making a lit.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Rocker adjustment....

Reply #64 –
Quote from: vinnietbird;439854
I did not add those. I also never had any issues until now either, so, maybe I need them......I will give it a shot when I can get to the boneyard and grab the correct wires and go from there. Thanks.

Vinnie you have an 88 Thunderbird. The 88 cars have the vss wiring from the factory. My 88 Thunderbird had the vss wires in pins 3&6 so your car should as well.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #65 –
I may have missed it, did you run codes?
Old Grey Cat to this.88 Cat, 5.0 HO, CW mounts, mass air, CI custom cam, afr165's, Tmoss worked cobra intake, BBK shorty's,off road h pipe, magnaflow ex. T-5,spec stage 2 clutch, 8.8 373 TC trac loc, che ajustables with bullits on the rear. 11" brakes up front. +

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Reply #66 –
I did, and the only codes I got were the secondary fuel "something'....a Mustang code. Not for my car. I'm going to run codes again this week.

Thunderjet, Thanks. After you said that, it reminded me of why I didn't mess with it back then. Kitz is the one who bullied me into doing the Mass AIr upgrade. LOL. LOL.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Rocker adjustment....

Reply #67 –
Vinnie,

Never did get a response from post #51 with regards if you degree the cam when you installed it.  I know you have a lot on your plate so I wanted to ask again.  Also, did Ed saying anything with regards to the valve springs you have on your heads in relation to the camshaft that you got?

I always go 1/2 turn when adjusting my valves and then set the poly lock.  I set the poly lock with a T-handle allen wrench and then use a wrench to turn the nut about a 1/16 of a turn to lock it.  Trying to lock the allen screw until you hear a pop is pretty hard with the motor in the car.

Darren

83 351W TKO'd T-Bird on the bottle


93 331 Mustang Coupe - 368 rwhp

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Reply #68 –
Check for arcing ignition wires :p

Should solve my rough idle tonight. It got the the point that I simply increased my idle to compensate, so I could drive the thing for a gear swap. My "rough idle" became a few hundred rpm's. At lower rpm levels, when the car would go into "idle mode" after a few seconds, the engine would die off.

If compression is good, car is in neutral to prevent throwing drivetrain issues into the mix, spark is sufficient and not escaping before the plugs, fuel pressure is good, you don't have any plugs that show a lean or rich condition, and timing is correct, the engine should run fine.

I don't get any other codes on my A9P EEC. I had the standard TAB/TAD solenoid errors, which I disabled, but no other errors. What is this "fuel" error exactly?
1988 Thunderbird Sport

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Reply #69 –
What he is getting is most likely a code for the fuel pump with regards to a secondary circuit failure which is common in MAF converted cars.  Below is an article on the conversion in which it talks about running a wire for this very reason in Section 5.

http://www.stangnet.com/tech/maf/massairconversion.html

Darren

83 351W TKO'd T-Bird on the bottle


93 331 Mustang Coupe - 368 rwhp

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Reply #70 –
Quote from: Aerocoupe;439880
What he is getting is most likely a code for the fuel pump with regards to a secondary circuit failure which is common in MAF converted cars.  Below is an article on the conversion in which it talks about running a wire for this very reason in Section 5.

http://www.stangnet.com/tech/maf/massairconversion.html

Darren


Yeah, no idea. I never got that code. I don't think I did anything special, but my car has been mass air for quite awhile now - who knows what I did back then.
1988 Thunderbird Sport

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Reply #71 –
I did Mass Air about 5 years ago. It has never given me an issue. Today, I dropped the friggin timing down to 14, and it didn't die, but it started dropping some smoke under acceleration. It didn't smoke at 16 or 18 at all, but wouldn't stay running. Swapping the fuel pump this week, and then whatever else I can friggin' do.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Rocker adjustment....

Reply #72 –
Quote from: vinnietbird;439868
I did, and the only codes I got were the secondary fuel "something'....a Mustang code. Not for my car. I'm going to run codes again this week.

Thunderjet, Thanks. After you said that, it reminded me of why I didn't mess with it back then. Kitz is the one who bullied me into doing the Mass Air upgrade. LOL. LOL.


It's a code 95 for the secondary fuel pump circuit.  Run a wire from the fuel pump relay to the corresponding pin on the PCM and it goes away.  The pin is pin #19.  It's not so much a "Mustang" code as it is a Mass Air code.  If your'e seeing the code I'll be pedantic and say it IS for your car -- just like mine.  I haven't run it either.  Don't feel bad.

I do plan on doing that along with some other stuff on the car this weekend so long as we don't get snow like the weather man predicts......

Do a KOEO/Continuous Memory followed by a KOER and a cylinder balance test.  Let us know the results.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #73 –
To much timing Vinnie. Drop it back to like 14 max. remember advanced timing hurts top end to an extent.
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

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Reply #74 –
Paul, I will do that Saturday and report in.

Tom, it's weird......If it's at 16 to 18 degrees. The car has no smoke under heavy acceleration. At 14 degrees, which I set it to after work today, it has smoke under heavy acceleration. There's still something very hinky going on. AT 14 degrees, the car doesn't die. AT 16 and up it does. There's GOT to be a happy middle ground. I will have to do another idle reset, as something isn't right with that either. Mild hunting, too. Maybe My fuel pump is playing a part in this. I'm swapping that this weekend as well just to rule it out. I wonder if the smoke is from not enough fuel. I'm guessing. I wish you guys lived near me so you could see how it is in person. Crazy stuff. I've only been trying to figure it out for 7 weeks.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..