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Turbo Coupe axle with drums?

Reply #15
Chuck, I'm not trying to argue, just trying to gain clarity;

If the Fox Mustang 8.8 housing is identical in length to the TC (1988 in this instance, for both rears) rear, then why wouldn't Sport backing plates and SN95 axles work? Or Am I missing something else?

I know the axles themselves (Fox Stang vs Tbird) are different lengths, but that chart does say the 8.8 housings are same length...?

I AM aware that the 7.5 is no bueno, however.

I'm not asking to be spoonfed, but I don't seem to see were the issue lies with the Mustang 8.8 as compared to the TC 8.8, but I might be missing something painfully obvious..
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Turbo Coupe axle with drums?

Reply #16
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;416815
Chuck, I'm not trying to argue, just trying to gain clarity;

If the Fox Mustang 8.8 housing is identical in length to the TC (1988 in this instance, for both rears) rear, then why wouldn't Sport backing plates and SN95 axles work? Or Am I missing something else?

I know the axles themselves (Fox Stang vs Tbird) are different lengths, but that chart does say the 8.8 housings are same length...?

I AM aware that the 7.5 is no bueno, however.

I'm not asking to be spoonfed, but I don't seem to see were the issue lies with the Mustang 8.8 as compared to the TC 8.8, but I might be missing something painfully obvious..

Beau-
I know you're not trying to argue. My reiteration was an attempt to clarify info.  Unless I'm having a brain fade, the Sport didn't get the 8.8, and thus had the wider housing 7.5. This is why the Sport drum brakes bolted up to the Fox Mustang housing.  The housing  to axle  dimension is pretty much the same on the Fox Mustang stuff vs. the 86-88 TBird/Cougar 7.5. Using the Sport (or Fox Mustang) drum brakes on a 87-88TC 8.8 (with the TC axles, not the Fox Mustang ones) would result in the drums being pushed out 3/4".

His Sport should have started with a 7.5, and when he went to the Fox Mustang 8.8, then yeah, the brakes bolt up. They don't bolt up when going to the 87-88TC 8.8. To try and keep 4-lug drums on an 87-88 TC rear end, and keep the proper TBird width, you need to use the 83-85 drum stuff.

Had things been clarified from the start, then there would've been less confusion.
Long live the 4-eyes!  - '83 Tbird Turbo - '85 Marquis LTS - '86 LTD Wagon

Turbo Coupe axle with drums?

Reply #17
I see, thanks for clarifying that Chuck :bowdown:

Rock on folks! ;)

On a side note, this has served to give me an idea for the bigger drums on my '84 coupe. Just need to find the '83-'85 backing plates. On with the hunt :hick:
'98 Explorer 5.0
'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)

Turbo Coupe axle with drums?

Reply #18
i know its been a couple months but i did the swap on a 88 10" 7.5 bird rear since we didnt want disc but wanted the 5 lug...and we actually like the .78 track width on each side that we gained...we did it with 99-04 mustang axles, panther 10' drums (10x2.5) panther shoes (changed pivot pin to a panther one) worked out fine...good info on this site , thank you all for the input you guys have gave this site.

Turbo Coupe axle with drums?

Reply #19
I just finished something almost similar.  I've got an 88 housing, with an 88 sport 7.5 lsd, 98 V6 Mustang axles, 10" T-bird drums drilled to the 5-lug pattern and since the stem of the Mustang axle expands from 1.4 to 1.59" just outboard of the bearings, I had to find different axle seals which apparently fit a 63 Fiat.  For some reason I expected Ranger left axles to fit, and then I expected 94-98 Mustang axles to just fit.  Thank goodness I can navigate seal spec catalogs.

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Reply #20
Cool, as long as that's a machined surface it should work fine long term, and the axles have a new wear area compared to when they were in the short housing.


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Reply #22
Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;420713
I just finished something almost similar.  I've got an 88 housing, with an 88 sport 7.5 lsd, 98 V6 Mustang axles, 10" T-bird drums drilled to the 5-lug pattern and since the stem of the Mustang axle expands from 1.4 to 1.59" just outboard of the bearings, I had to find different axle seals which apparently fit a 63 Fiat.  For some reason I expected Ranger left axles to fit, and then I expected 94-98 Mustang axles to just fit.  Thank goodness I can navigate seal spec catalogs.


Of course the 94-98 Mustang axles (or the Ranger axles) didn't fit properly. The 86-88 7.5 housing is 3/4" wider (per side) than what those axles are spec'ed for.  The axles are the same length, but as you found out, the bearing surfaces are not in the same location. The 94-98 Mustang axles are a drop-in on the 83-85 7.5 housing and the 87-88TC 8.8 housing.
Long live the 4-eyes!  - '83 Tbird Turbo - '85 Marquis LTS - '86 LTD Wagon

Turbo Coupe axle with drums?

Reply #23
Quote from: Chuck W;420732
Of course the 94-98 Mustang axles (or the Ranger axles) didn't fit properly. The 86-88 7.5 housing is 3/4" wider (per side) than what those axles are spec'ed for.  The axles are the same length, but as you found out, the bearing surfaces are not in the same location. The 94-98 Mustang axles are a drop-in on the 83-85 7.5 housing and the 87-88TC 8.8 housing.
Why does it always seem that the same search gets different results AFTER you've already had problems and figured out a solution?  I did all the research I could, but I found no mention anywhere of 87-88 having longer tubes until after I was up to my nose in a shiznitty situation.  Then, I repeated the search and found out that I was pretty much on my own to find a fix, owing to my axle tubes being .75" wider per side.  Even now, I can find that info all over this section of the board, but in the first search; nada.  Even coolcats didn't mention it.

Turbo Coupe axle with drums?

Reply #24
There's a stickied thread at the top of this very section that has the info, and a link to a handy chart, which I mentioned in this thread.

We also cover this problem, which no one ever seems to remember, at least once a month, so it's kind of surprising to me at this point that people still miss it.

Also, taken from Coolcats
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Cougar/T-Bird 7.5"
Beginning with the 1983 model year, the Cougar and Thunderbird shared a common-width 7.5" rear axle housing with the Mustang/Capri. Therefore, all 4 cars have the same rear end housing, but the Cougar/T-Bird had longer axle shafts. Most Cougars had the 2.73 open-end gear (non-locking). The 1984-86 XR7's had the locking rear with Quad shocks and a 3.45 gear. [COLOR="#FF0000"]This Mustang/Capri style rear end was used until part way through the 1985 model year (approx. 11/84), when the Cougar/T-Bird got a unique width axle housing. It was approximately 1" wider than the Mustang housing and about 1" narrower than a Mark VII rear axle housing. However, due to a different offset rear drum, the overall width was the same (thus keeping the same rear track dimensions). This configuration was used until 1988 on all Cougars and Thunderbirds.[/COLOR] Again, most were equipped with the non-locking 2.73 unit. However, on some models it was possible to order a 7.5" rear with a 3.08 gear for towing. Almost all 7.5" rear ends had the 9" rear drum brakes, which have a finned side profile. Some had the optional 10" drums, noted by their smooth side profile, which came later cars (primarily 1988) with the optional towing package or heavy duty suspension package.

- See more at: http://www.coolcats.net/general/axleinfo.html#sthash.BPNgVscj.dpuf

The actual dimensions are not quite the same as in the chart I reference, but it does state a difference in the housings.

Glad you found a solution, but the info was there and has been.  Not sure about the issue with your first search.
Long live the 4-eyes!  - '83 Tbird Turbo - '85 Marquis LTS - '86 LTD Wagon