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Who Knows What This Is?

Guessing rod, bolt, nut etc doesn't count...


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Reply #1
I would love to guess but how can i see it!!!
I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

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Reply #3
Give us a hint, what area of what vehicle are we looking at?
CoogarXR : 1985 Cougar XR-7


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Reply #5
Looks like a lot of crank walk.

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Reply #6
Quote from: 88turbo;414107
looks like a thrust bearing
Quote from: 87thunderbirdBlackJack;414122
Looks like a lot of crank walk.

Looks like a combination of these.


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Reply #7
What it is...isn't good. Hope that ain't in your new engine..
And..stay tuned..I'll PM you those wolverine cam specs in a few, since seeing your post here reminded me that you'd asked..
Be right back.
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Reply #8
Quote from: 1BadBird;414134
Looks like a combination of these.

Zactly, that's the bottom end of the old 5.0... It measured .093 thrust clearance, bearing and crank are both wiped out, thrust was mainly on #2 & #4 main saddles and caps... Block and caps are slightly scored where the crank washiznitting but would be OK for a rebuild... Rod side clearance is between .020 & .035, I'll probably take the whole thing to the s yard...

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Reply #9
Hey Tom

Do you think the block was flexing under spray with the heavy nature of our cars???

Travis

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Reply #10
Quote from: turbotrav;414215
Hey Tom

Do you think the block was flexing under spray with the heavy nature of our cars???

Travis

IDK, all I'm sure about is that it was in spec when assembled and sometime after spraying the crank was flopping back and forth... It ran at least three years with the crank walk, part of the time I was waiting for the 331 to be assembled(have a friend that SBF are his specialty)...

I did find this article online that goes into depth on the issue and will say my failure was probably a combination of transmission high line pressure combined with the spray...

BTW the main bearing surfaces all looked good with none showing even a hint of copper...

http://www.4secondsflat.com/Thrust_bearing_failures.html

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Reply #11
IDK either...seems to be a pattern on heavy 302 users..
The block flexs a lot under big power in a heavy car.

I guess I'm glad I went 351w.. ..

If you have a 3000 fox mustang u can get away with more.

We are not as lucky.,.

Travis

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Reply #12
Somehow I have a problem with the block flex theory, I'd think the other main bearing surfaces would show odd wear but all mine looked good... The SC Stang guys have issues with thrust bearings as well...

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Reply #13
Just spit balling...  But it seems to be a pattern.  5.0 guys blow a HG with boost/nitrous...but uber headgaskets and studs.. then continue to make power, more revs...whatever.  Then more damage occurs.

Travis

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Reply #14
I have a problem with the entire theory of "external forces" being imparted on the crank. That is, assuming things are installed correctly. I have read/heard about this, including a local yahoo that thinks his E4OD is "pulling" the crank out of his 5.4 in an F150 Lightning. On the no less than four occasions I have installed the AOD in my red cougar, I have put the converter all the way on, to the lockup shaft, until it bottoms out. I then mate the trans up to the dowel pins, make sure it is actually lined up, start the bolts, begin to crank them down, find that it's working on straight, finish tightening the bolts, find the trans perfectly mated up....and then rotate the converter and flexplate little by little with the balancer, doing the converter nuts of course, through the inspection cover. The studs on the converter stick through *just* enough to start the nuts, and they get pulled through 1/4" or so while tightening the nuts down. This says to me that the converter is definitely spaced AWAY from the tranny input shafts a good 1/4" or so.

At no time should a torque converter impart ANY thrust force on a crankshaft, if installed properly, by this anecdotal evidence and by what I think is common sense from a design  perspective.

For a stick? Same deal. I think many people misunderstand the construction. I did myself until I looked at pictures and thought about it. The entire clutch assembly is bolted to the flywheel, not to the bell or block. So the force of the pressure place acts on the clutch plates and the clutch casing...which is then acting on the flywheel. Now, a misadjusted throwout bearing, is causing a constant force against the pressure plate, from the outside. From the frame of the car. This would pull/push on the flywheel. However I have read claims of "too strong of a clutch" causing thrust failure, and this is simply not possible, at least when engaged. I guess over thousands and thousands of miles, with many clutch in/outs with a very strong pressure plate, this might cause significant wear. Maybe I am misunderstanding what I read anyway. 90+ % of the duty cycle the clutch is engaged, a very small amount of the time is an outside force (the forks) acting on the pressure plate. Perhaps this is all you need to ruin the bearing.
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