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March 24, 2013, 07:02:01 AM

Well

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Reply #1 – March 24, 2013, 09:46:56 AM

In the end no one knows just who sits at the computer on the other side of the network connection if they never meet them in person. I think it's called "Confirmation Bias", when your mind basically accepts only the hard evidence that supports your theory, and immediately disqualifies anything else as en error or fluke. Which of course warps the definition of "fluke" because likely half the evidence is being categorized as a "fluke". So when a newcomer like yourself joins, tries to establish him/herself in the way you did, I'll admit at first I didn't know what to think. Logically it makes sense, you wanted to simply regurgitate correct mechanical knowledge so people would welcome you into conversation about whatever came up next, quickly breaking the "new guy" ice.

Definitely a fine line to walk between providing a ton of helpful info and appearing self-important. There's no second chance on first impressions, and if yours didn't go so well, so be it. You have a successful business, you must be doing *something* right, and if you know for sure that you're doing things right, treating customers the right way, treating the people that love you the right way....who cares what a bunch of people you've never met think? It's very tough to have faith in yourself and be satisfied with that. It must date back to the caveman days, we need recognition from everyone that "Yup, you kick ass man!" or we cannot help but doubt that we are what we want to be. And then there are plenty that are patted on the back daily because of what or who they are, and they really want something entirely different...

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Reply #2 – March 24, 2013, 10:16:21 AM

Thanks i

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Reply #3 – March 24, 2013, 10:46:30 AM

Its great to speak your mind my good sir, and i wish more people would. But with some people you kinda have to handle them with kid gloves. Not everyone sees the exact way you do in alot of the cases they see the exact opposite. Like zonda said first impressions are sometimes a very vital key to how some people look at you through the entirety of your posting. Knowledge is great, however, how you execute your display of knowledge to others can be the make or break in the conversation. Telling people that a certain way is the only way and that's how it is no matter what isn't the greatest way about it. We want options, opinions, reactions, tried and trues, experimental procedures, and results.

Don't be so quick to chime in on a subject, I've learned that in my almost 10 year venture here. Let some things stew a little bit, maybe someone will chime in and a few more will also. Input tidbits of info here and there some things that some wouldn't know.

This board in the 10 years I've been on it has always had a very respectful atmosphere, and I feel that it is mutual all the way around the board. Respect is earned, we dont just give it away lol. I frequent a few boards, not alot of places are like this one. Hell, we give par to people who need them, kind of like a family ya know?

Just be calm cool and collected there Uncle Tom and everything will get easier

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Reply #4 – March 24, 2013, 11:08:54 AM

I broke up the on line invented definition below

An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities.

Named after the wicked troll creatures of children's tales, an internet troll is someone who stirs up drama and abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing
~i dont feel abused, there may be a little drama now and again.
hatred, ~havent seen you sow this
bigotry, ~havent seen you sow this
racism, ~havent seen you sow this
mysogyny, ~have seen you sow this , hating on women(i had to look that up)
or just simple bickering between others. ~hell , this happens with everyone, its called character and possibly passion
Trolls like a big audience, so they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. ~i dont believe you frequent many chat sites, your inexperience in terminology and random other things ive noticed tells me you treat the internet like you would in person,, thats called honesty.,,being the person you are.
Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments.~i didnt know you were from capital hill~~!!

i went through this similar conversation one time before with you. You are experienced, efficient, straight shooting and passionate with your lessons you have learned and hate to see people struggle, you want to prevent the struggle and share what you can to prevent wasting time.
My opinion~ you focus more on efficiency and fact and police your enviroment to make sure you do the very thing you expect yourself to do and that would be to pass on what you can to those who have the capcity and willingness to listen. Its the "father" side of you that you cant abandon people when you know you can help... as is exactly what i do with my own boys.

The truth be told, people dont like a know it all and the envented definition is rather oddly structured and ironically it pertains more to giving less motivated, less studied, less hands on individuals a word to call someone who actually does stuff and knows things.

Ive ran across 2 trolls on this board, they offered nothing of substance to the passion of these cars, they were fundamentally "mental" and honestly i couldnt understand why they stayed thier short times.

I like this board a lot, I like it as well because i get honest answers or i get my compass realigned when im out of line.

experienced, efficient, straight shooting and passionate~that you are
Troll~ that i cant see you being

what the hell though? who likes getting down to the facts anyway?

I dont believe for a minute that letting a topic stew while you site back not giving the full answer helps, its inefficient and does not promote the path of least resistance or growth when someone wants to learn or know an answer to a question.
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We did not make it to the moon being soft/gental or spitting out little bits of info now and again for the sake of someone elses "feels"~ F that~!!
I wanna Kick ass or get my ass kicked when an objective or goal is so close and due diligence was set asside for the sake of others feelings, its not bullying, its called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TEACHING!!

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Reply #5 – March 24, 2013, 11:19:03 AM

Tom, there is no doubt that you are a man of knowledge "you prove that over and over" but as said above,there are more than 1 opinion that counts.
you are very persistent at wanting people to see things your way.That is how these threads go off on a tangent and become "wrecked"

In IMO ,you have done this to several threads on this board.this board is about spreading your knowledge and helping others with problems,
Not convincing others to agree with your opinion.

I hope to see you hang around and continue to help others here,but do it in a diff. manner than in the past.

Not trying to cause trouble,would just like to read threads without all the unnecessary BS added to them

Joe

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Reply #6 – March 24, 2013, 12:33:41 PM

Tom, I dont want you to think that I target you or dislike you as you do have some really good info that you share. I dont like how you try to force your opinion or ways upon someone that is merely trying to build something the way they want to do it. All of us have an image in our minds of how we want our cars to be and that shouldnt be detoured by someone else. I myself try to learn as much as I can about what I want to do then I go in and do it and if I run into a problem I research more and figure out what needs to be done. I also have people come to me and ask for advice and the proper way to do something but I never try to make them do something they dont want to do. Tom, if you want, make some threads about info you want to share with us and we can share our opinions with you.

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Reply #7 – March 24, 2013, 12:34:55 PM

Tom, we've had some spirited discussions on cars and our our (frequently) differing opinions of cars...and while I've been left annoyed at times....the word troll never came to my mind.

I also wouldn't allow anything on the internet to keep me awake at night, either.

You sir, have more experience than anyone. Plus you're a vet, and have the creds to back up your posts.
If they don't like it, they can f*ck off.
Respectfully,
Beau.

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Reply #8 – March 24, 2013, 02:57:10 PM

Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;411722

Tom, we've had some spirited discussions on cars and our our (frequently) differing opinions of cars...and while I've been left annoyed at times....the word troll never came to my mind.

I also wouldn't allow anything on the internet to keep me awake at night, either.

You sir, have more experience than anyone. Plus you're a vet, and have the creds to back up your posts.
If they don't like it, they can f*ck off.
Respectfully,
Beau.

Guess I'm gonna shag off then...

Bye

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Reply #9 – March 24, 2013, 03:17:39 PM

Not

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Reply #10 – March 24, 2013, 11:00:12 PM

Quote from: tom renzo;411705

well someone said i troll . So i looked it up.

Question: What is an internet 'troll'? How should i deal with trolls?
Answer: An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities. Named after the wicked troll creatures of children's tales, an internet troll is someone who stirs up drama and abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism, mysogyny, or just simple bickering between others. Trolls like a big audience, so they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments.

So with the explination above i think i do not troll.

I am guilty of trying to give out info factual as i have been in the car business all my life. I pass on info whether correct to some or totally nonsense to others. I have posted fixes and have shared story's about car repairs and car problems. So have others not just me. That is why i post on forums. I dont think i am disrespectful but when someone postes something that is incorrect in my view i respond. I understand different people have different ideas and that is ok. Nothing wrong with that. I also realize this is a ford site and the people are loyal to that. That is a good thing. So i just wanted to comment on irt for what it is worth. I am 65 years old have been building cars all my life. I have twisted welded glued wrapped hammered and put together all types of cars. I am responsible for the lives of people that depend on me to pay there mortauges send there kids to school and provide them with income. I am a good boss as the people that work for me are loyal and extreamly good at what they do. So a troll maybe but i think some are correct and im see a pattern of beating down on things that i post and firmly believe. Thanks for the time on the site and to all i have helped it was my pleasure. Have a nice sunday palm sunday. A troll maybe but i do not think so. Thank you.

lol!!

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Reply #11 – March 24, 2013, 11:02:55 PM

Quote from: Chooglin;411719

Tom, there is no doubt that you are a man of knowledge "you prove that over and over" but as said above,there are more than 1 opinion that counts.
you are very persistent at wanting people to see things your way.That is how these threads go off on a tangent and become "wrecked"

In IMO ,you have done this to several threads on this board.this board is about spreading your knowledge and helping others with problems,
Not convincing others to agree with your opinion.

I hope to see you hang around and continue to help others here,but do it in a diff. manner than in the past.

Not trying to cause trouble,would just like to read threads without all the unnecessary BS added to them

Joe

Well put.

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Reply #12 – March 24, 2013, 11:24:40 PM

Quote from: TurboCoupe50;411735

Guess I'm gonna shag off then...

Bye

Maybe I'm a little too sarcastic for my own good

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Reply #13 – March 24, 2013, 11:28:50 PM

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Reply #14 – March 25, 2013, 06:04:56 AM

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