The things I see at work

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The things I see at work

Reply #30 – December 06, 2012, 07:44:41 AM

My grandma drives a 2003 Kia Spectra, after she wrecked her 70's Lincoln Versailles, for what it is, it's a good car, hasn't given her any major problems, just regular maintenance, of course it is a tin can but most cars are these days. I don't think anyone expects FWD cars to give any performance other than DD'ing, would I drive it every day? Hell no, wouldn't even think about getting into a Hyundai/Kia. I think people are biased against the Korean car makers( because they're making affordable car) just like they were against puppiesanese a few years ago. In reality as long as it runs and get you from A to B, and isn't a complete death trap, what the hell does it matter?

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Reply #31 – December 06, 2012, 11:27:05 AM

Foe, you know where else those recycled cans go? Every other manufacturer. They ALL use recycled metal, and many, Ford in particular, uses many other recycled materials (including recycled pop bottles for carpeting). And Chrysler doesn't pay their techs diagnostic time either. Getting paid for diagnostics from GM is like pulling teeth as well, that's why i left GM. Got tired of having to justify every minute of diagnostic time (and only getting paid straight time to do it) while the front-end guy is making a fortune just got old.

And speaking of Chrysler, it's a Chrysler I posted in the first post in this thread with a rotten frame. Suppose that frame was made out of virgin metal?

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Reply #32 – December 06, 2012, 11:59:54 AM

Quote from: TOM Renzo;404027

Five cars since 1995. Over 200k miles on each one of them

So are you telling me with a straight face a chevy or a ford cant go 200K. Be it as it may i find it hard to believe that someone in the car business actually can say a HYUNDAI is actually a car. And further more a good car. like i said 90% of American car buyers would not know a good car if it fell on them!!! Tell me a HONDA and we can agree to an extent. But a KIA HYUNDAI. NOT HAPPENING. But buy away i love the MONEY!!! Contractors around these parts have Chevy and ford trucks with plows with 300K on them. Once again as far as i am concerned a FWD car is not a CAR. Just me i like cars that actually do not have all their eggs in one basket. But that is your belief and i am not to judge!! So 20 years from now will we have a bunch of car guys talking about HYUNDAI cars we are saving and restoring for INFAMY??? JUST CHECKING!!!

I consider my Hyundai a real car. Based on your qualifications, my RWD Genesis Coupe must be. That and the fact that after a little work i'm at just under 300hp/280trq at the wheels, with a 6-speed and get 27/28 mpg on the highway consistently. Sorry but Hyundai and Kia have come a long way in the past 5 years. The new Sonata turbo pulls like a banshee. at 80mph you hit the gas, you feel it. My Genesis kicks the out of a comparable v6 mustang or camaro. Now the new gencoupe was redesigned and with GDI puts out almost 350hp, and some crazy torque. Sorry Troll, but as a DD, you can't beat Hyundai.

My mom had a 2006 Fusion, brand new. Thing was a steaming pile. Leaked all the time, all the switches burned out. Transmission started to vibrate randomly when it was really cold. Sorry, POS. My fully loaded 3.8 with nav, sunroof, heated seats, all the bells and whistles, was less money than her Fusion Brand New. Look at everything I got that I would have paid much more for in a Fusion. My Hyundia isn't a super car, but it's been pretty reliable. It's not perfect, and I have a couple of small warranties, but everyone ask's, what kind of car is that? "That's a What", they say? when's the last time someone wanted to look at the new Camaro, when they were first release? The new GT? Who cares, you see them everywhere.

//end rant.

You can have this 'buy American" attitude all you want. But Hyundai keeps American's employed. Chevy and Ford keep Mexico and Canada employed. What's more important, having profits sent to one man in another country, or keeping tens of thousands or workers in your country employed.

Lastly, your comparing Trucks to Cars. Saying Ford/Chevy trucks are better than cars. Cars are not the same as trucks. Show me a Fusion, or late model impala that go 300k miles. Your whole argument is based on comparing apples to oranges.

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Reply #33 – December 06, 2012, 12:16:58 PM

Quote from: jpc647;404045

I consider my Hyundai a real car. Based on your qualifications, my RWD Genesis Coupe must be. That and the fact that after a little work i'm at just under 300hp/280trq at the wheels, with a 6-speed and get 27/28 mpg on the highway consistently. Sorry but Hyundai and Kia have come a long way in the past 5 years. The new Sonata turbo pulls like a banshee. at 80mph you hit the gas, you feel it. My Genesis kicks the out of a comparable v6 mustang or camaro. Now the new gencoupe was redesigned and with GDI puts out almost 350hp, and some crazy torque. Sorry Troll, but as a DD, you can't beat Hyundai.

My mom had a 2006 Fusion, brand new. Thing was a steaming pile. Leaked all the time, all the switches burned out. Transmission started to vibrate randomly when it was really cold. Sorry, POS. My fully loaded 3.8 with nav, sunroof, heated seats, all the bells and whistles, was less money than her Fusion Brand New. Look at everything I got that I would have paid much more for in a Fusion. My Hyundia isn't a super car, but it's been pretty reliable. It's not perfect, and I have a couple of small warranties, but everyone ask's, what kind of car is that? "That's a What", they say? when's the last time someone wanted to look at the new Camaro, when they were first release? The new GT? Who cares, you see them everywhere.

//end rant.

You can have this 'buy American" attitude all you want. But Hyundai keeps American's employed. Chevy and Ford keep Mexico and Canada employed. What's more important, having profits sent to one man in another country, or keeping tens of thousands or workers in your country employed.

Lastly, your comparing Trucks to Cars. Saying Ford/Chevy trucks are better than cars. Cars are not the same as trucks. Show me a Fusion, or late model impala that go 300k miles. Your whole argument is based on comparing apples to oranges.

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Reply #34 – December 06, 2012, 07:22:40 PM

Ok i get it.

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Reply #35 – December 06, 2012, 07:48:31 PM

Quote from: TheFoeYouKnow;404034

You know all those beer cans you take back on Monday for 5 or 10 cents? Know where they go? They get crushed and sent to s, and then Korea buys them and THATS THEIR RAW MATERIALS. That's right Your Hyundai/Kia (same company) is a beer can. On wheels. But less fun. And worse, they don't pay diag under warranty, so you end up with dealer techs who are only allowed to throw parts at them.

id totally agree with your statement, but ford doesnt exactly pay for diag anymore haha. theres a reason i left the automotive business. :burnout: never looking back!

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Reply #36 – December 06, 2012, 07:51:12 PM

2013 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R-Spec hits 60 mph in 5.3 seconds and costs 32 GRAND. Hay i have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale!!!

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Reply #37 – December 06, 2012, 07:53:00 PM

Quote from: TOM Renzo;404053

OK I GET IT I AM A TROLL. By the way my brother runs central dispatch for NYPD. they have hundreds of IMPALAS with well over 200K. Those cars are not only for police he services all the cars related to NYPD including most munilities. The track record of the IMPALA is well established. With that i do not want to start a fight. And if you think i am a TROLL try keeping a business profitable for as long as i have. With that Drive in to the sunset with your HYUNDAI piece of junk. @ 32k for a 3.8 GT you must have rocks in your head. And as far as looks the GEN is a DOG. I used Trucks as a talking point. By the way in the BODY BUSINESS it amazes me how these cars are built. On the frame machine it tells it all and when you pull those piece of junk cars the story is over. As FOE so correctly points out the BEER cans they make these cars out of is true. Pull one apart and you will see the LABELS. Sorry to say i am a TROLL but telling me a Genesis pulls hard at highway speeds is like saying a mop-head is a motorcycle. YOU MUST BE KIDDING. That is the funniest thing i have ever heard.

Tom. i have respect for your opinion, but why is it you cant for anyone else? you always have to be right. sometimes, your not the only one that is.

as for the fusion, thats odd. any one i worked on as a tech, aside from the shiznit transmission issues that plague ford, has been a great car. i wouldnt heisitate to own one. or a hyundai for that matter.

i'm sorry, out of any of the cars mentioned, i wouldnt own an impala. i think there cheap, everyone of them seems to need a rack due to leaks. idk. just what i've seen. across the country could be completely different.

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Reply #38 – December 06, 2012, 08:03:04 PM

OK i

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Reply #39 – December 06, 2012, 08:07:54 PM

Quote from: TOM Renzo;404059

OK i get it the years in the business does not out weigh some people that never had a car on a rack.

i HAVE 7 years in the business.

Thanks though. your right my opinion is invalid.

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Reply #40 – December 06, 2012, 08:10:56 PM

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Reply #41 – December 06, 2012, 09:02:03 PM

i buy american, or own worth while classics i like.
The trick here is loyalty to your countries car heritage.
For me,, all american 100%. lots of people have simply lost thier sense of direction when they say,,"but these korean or puppies cars are made here in the USA". The reason is because of sheer despiration and as a country lowering ourselves to a new low.

I find it depressing to see people so proud to make foreign cars, they feel good for doing something that monetarily they would rather ignore.

I do belive in trading with my neighbors like canada and mexico,, and also sharing in the manuf burden as well. Canada makes some fine steel... just about ever telecommunications company out there uses cananda steel for thier cable racking and auxillary channel.

Mexico once upon a time (perhaps they still do) had a good supply and demand going on. they just need to get thier shiznit together as a country and step back up as a big player in building things.

i gave credit to the kia sophia and its earned some respect from me, but it does not have 279k on it like my 20th or 240k like my 1990 bronco full size windsor. I drive old stuff for several reasons and one is my ability to "still" work on them.

back to py frames being built and terrible corrosion.

Tom~ my wifes Ghia has all the eggs in one basket in the rear, still learning how to work on this thing. I agree with your stand on "go america", reguardless of whats happening now, i wont budge one inch and will always stay loyal to my country.

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Reply #42 – December 06, 2012, 09:47:44 PM

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Reply #43 – December 07, 2012, 12:29:37 AM

My sister in law has an impala. What a piece of shiznit. The headlights will randomly shut off, forcing her (or whoever else drives it) to switch them back and forth between high and low to get 'em back on again.
She had another electrical issue, I think ign. switch, cost her a lot of money for both replacement part AND labor.

I do know that labor costs are higher these days, but whoever designed and ignition switch so complicated that it costs over 100 bucks is a f*cking crackhead.

What about the Impala's shiznitbox transmissions? Of course, I must be a shiznithead too, because the vehicle I drive is pr0ne to trans probs (Explorers/Mountaineers).

I too would take a Genesis over an Impala any day. That's after riding in and driving SIL's (supercharged) Impala.
It's not fast either, for a F.I. car, my tbird would slap the shiznit out of it.

What I AM sick of is the "holy shiznit, GM stuff is the best evar!" mentality of certain folks. They break down, same as any other vehicle, and I can say that beyond a shadow of a doubt, I've had more issues with GM stuff ('88 K truck, 94 Caprice) than ALL my Fords added together ('86 Escort GT, '86 Stang, '88 Bird, '88 Bird, '88 Sport, '89 F truck, '89 Stang, '90 Stang, '92 F truck) With the exception of the 90 Stang which ran briefly after I did a little (too much) work to it.

And the hell of it was, both the Chevies were the least abused of the whole ed list. Numerous transmission issues for both, the 305 blew up in the truck, numerous issues with the piece of shiznit LT1 in the Caprice, they both needed new shocks and ball joints before 70,000 miles.....I'll stick to my Fords, Tom. They must not be all THAT bad, as you yourself own a ed TC...

Next time, I'll take a shaging dodge over GM, and that's saying something from me. Why is it that the GM section of almost any junkyard is twice the size of Ford or Dodge sections?
Oh and Tom, your Jim/Blaze is AWD, and is modded...I'd hope it would be a little quicker than something that's nearly as heavy, and down on power...it's ok though, it's faster than my junk and I can sleep at night knowing this. Just don't criticize us younger folks who may not be elite enough to work on Euro cars, or own an AWD SUV....wait, I've worked on a Porsche a coupla times...and I own an AWD SUV......

You have fun with that, now.

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Reply #44 – December 07, 2012, 12:17:51 PM

Quote from: TOM Renzo;404053

OK I GET IT I AM A TROLL. By the way my brother runs central dispatch for NYPD. they have hundreds of IMPALAS with well over 200K. Those cars are not only for police he services all the cars related to NYPD including most munilities. The track record of the IMPALA is well established. With that i do not want to start a fight. And if you think i am a TROLL try keeping a business profitable for as long as i have. With that Drive in to the sunset with your HYUNDAI piece of junk. @ 32k for a 3.8 GT you must have rocks in your head. And as far as looks the GEN is a DOG. I used Trucks as a talking point. By the way in the BODY BUSINESS it amazes me how these cars are built. On the frame machine it tells it all and when you pull those piece of junk cars the story is over. As FOE so correctly points out the BEER cans they make these cars out of is true. Pull one apart and you will see the LABELS. Sorry to say i am a TROLL but telling me a Genesis pulls hard at highway speeds is like saying a mop-head is a motorcycle. YOU MUST BE KIDDING. That is the funniest thing i have ever heard.

First of all, 32k will buy you a Track Model, not just a GT. You used trucks as a blatant comparison to cars, you sir are the one with rocks in your head. You also have a reading comprehension problem, I said the Sonata Turbo Pulled hard at 80mph when I tromped on it. I think you need to slow down and read a little more thoroughly.
And you think the Stang or Camaro looks better than the Genesis? I think you head is simply clouded with the “BUY AMERICA” stigma. I agree, a lot of foreign stuff if junk, when I buy parts for my 1972 Oldsmobile, I want American made, because that was built in Framingham MA. Your impala, you think everything on there was build in America, again sir, you are the one with rocks in your head.

Quote from: TOM Renzo;404055

2013 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R-Spec hits 60 mph in 5.3 seconds and costs 32 GRAND. Hay i have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale!!!
And this is the saturnn 5 rocket you think is fast???
My typhoon does 0-60 100% stock in 4.1 IN THE RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your GMC typhoon? Or is that a bike? Stock the Typhoon ran 0-60 in 5.3. You can drive a car 1.2 seconds faster than a profession driver, in the rain? Sorry, that doesn’t add up. Troll. Compare apples to apples, will you? That’s like saying I have a friend with a drag car that’ll run a 9 second quarter mile, so It’s better than your Typhoon. And he can drive it on the street with street tires.

I clearly stated my car wasn’t the fastest. I clearly stated I won’t keep up with a Camaro SS or a 5.0 Gt, but that I can walk all over every v6 Camaro or Stang. For the money, when looking at new cars, it’s a bargain, that was my point. Secondly, I’m doing more to stimulate the economy than you are. I bought a new car, how does driving a 1992 Typhoon help anyone? It doesn’t. What else in that price range has the same power, the same features, and the same warranty. NO ONE!!! Can you build me a car for $30,000 that’ll out handle, get better mileage, have all the same features I have, and stand by it for 10 years? I’ll write you a check right now if you can. If you can match everything the Hyundai does/has, I’ll pay you to build me it; MR. MASTER MECHANIC.

Quote from: TOM Renzo;404061

Another happy Hyundai owner

Review

The 2009 Genesis/4dr Sdn 4.6L V8 I have leased since 07/09 from Sheehy Nissan Hyundai is a true lemon! Even after submitting a lemon law complaint to to dealership and Hyundai Motor America for numerous electrical issues, replacement of the transmission, catalytic converter burn out, interior frnt. windshield condensation build up during the cold months, gear shift sticking on more one occasion, starter switch being replaced, steering column control switch failure, the rubber seal in the sun roof coming out, brake light failure, they still refuse to take this piece of junk back! I believe it's a faulty parts problem as some of their car have had the same issues. Hyundai Assurance (Not)!!!

Okay. First of all, every car has problems. My mom’s Fusion had problems, I’m sure those impala’s have problems. Hyundai warrantied the stuff on my car so far no problem. It’s a dealer thing, not Hyundai.

Quote from: TOM Renzo;404066

Jay as you know we have vendors visit us all the time pushing their cheap . They tell us all sorts of LIES. They give us samples and normally we buy American. Over the years relays have come and gone. But i still like BOSCH relays just to show i am not totally ignorant on quality. For what it is worth i feel passionate about buying American made products. As i despise the puppiesanese and their cars. Reason Americans buy their and we cant even send a BUICK TO puppiesAN. And the Korean JUNK that is flooding our ss are even worse!!! Half the country is still COMMIE. But Americans dont give a dam. Once again people that buy cars 90% of them would not know a good car if it fell on them. They buy cheap junk that either matches their fingernail polish or they say well they are made here. BS they are assembled here. Big difference. But as i should know you cant change peoples minds. No matter how much info you give them. They are set in the aspect that the US cant build anything. Just ask them. This post bashed several American cars. And it comes off their lips like a frozen sky slope. As a business owner i see the writing on the wall. I have to go through 20 vendors to get parts that are either made in places i never heard of. And the us made stuff is always better. But people dont care any more and neither should i. I could care less if a plug comes out of a Korean car or a chevy. But as for me American cars are the best bang for your buck.And always will be. More chevys are on the road for longer amounts of time than any other car. Ask the insurance companies . Also how many times on this message board are guys looking for original ford parts or NOS parts. If all this Korean and foreign stuff is so good why not use fenders like KEYSTONE. SIMPLE THEY ARE !!! And everyone on this site knows it. So they buy cheap cars and to justify that they bash American products. We had to replace our compressor and the sales man tried to sell us some unit made god knows where. I bought an American one. The guy was shocked as he said ingersol was still made here but not selling. AS it was to expensive. But he admitted it was the best unit on the market.

You Can put Lipstick on a pig and dress it up . But the bottom line is it is still a PIG!!!

Tom, 90% of people really don’t care about cars, they are simply a means of transportation, you have to realize that. There is a big difference that they are assembled here! Explain this to me, if profits go to GM America, or to Hyundai of Korea, what is the difference? Hyundai Employs US UNION WORKERS to build their cars. GM only builds Camaro’s in Canada. (no offence to any of the FTBCF Canadian brethren), but how does that help the US? It Doesn’t. What is this American car that gives you the best bang for your buck? Chevy has been making cars a lot longer than Nissan, or Hyundai, or Honda. Why wouldn’t there be more of them? People want NOS for restorations, not for everyday driving cars. What are you trying to compare here, besides just being a Troll? I agree, aftermarket fenders will not fit like NOS, but some day there will be no more NOS. Not relevant though. Hyundai’s OEM panels fit fine, if I bought a Keystone fender it might not, but my NOS fender is still made in Korea, it can’t be utter garbage, it fits.

You seem to come into a lot of threads of try to rile people up. Is this because you hate your job, and this is how you unwind? Half of what you say is some BS philosophy.