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Reply #60
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Reply #61
You're interpreting the law incorrectly Tom. I can go out right now, buy a pre-ban lower and outfit it how ever I would like, with brand new parts even. The only restriction would be that if I were to use high cap. mags, those would have to be pre-ban as well.

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You most definately can buy a pre ban lower but you cant configure it to pre ban status
LOL, That doesn't even make sense.
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Reply #62
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Reply #63
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Reply #64
Sha
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Reply #65
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375915
Mass assault weapons law.
“that was not otherwise lawfully possessed on September 13, 1994”,

That means that Mass has a grandfather clause in the law. And any assault weapon obtained after that date is illegal. But just like in CT you can definitely buy a pre ban lower. But you cant configure it as such. If you have more than 3 configurations it is illegal. So many in my state buys a pre ban lower and assembles it as such. That is illegal. If you could do that everyone would buy pre bans and configure it as such. Post ban guns are configured for just that. Ma adopted the federal law and it has the COLT AR right in the law. I just read it. Once again you cant buy a pre ban colt lower and configure it as such. Or for that matter any AR as far as i know. That was in the federal ban that sunseted and mass adopted it.

Christ on a stick Tom. Read the law again. Of course (some) people would chose to use the pre-ban lower as the base for their build. Why? because it allows them to configure it as a pre-ban weapon (like it was originally equipped. Those people pay a premium for them when they DO pup up for sale. I've seen pre-ban lowers sell for between 700-1400 and completes sell for 2500. You can get a brand new M&P (MA compliant or non castrated version) for as little as 515 bucks brand new and complete. Bushmasters are 750 bucks. Why would they draw the premium if they were treated as a post-ban weapon?

The law does NOT apply to military and police. They can buy a brand new post-ban in any configuration legally. They can NOT sell it to any non- Mil or LEO.

The law is just saying you can't legally buy or sell a post band assault weapon or large capacity feeding device as defined on September 13, 1994, that wasn't already manufactured and purchased by that date. Those that reside within the state are fair game, hence the premium they fetch. Weapons manufactured and obtained before that date are obviously exempt.
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Reply #66
you're bickering over guns and gun laws now? seriously? it's always been my belief that 'he who owns guns, has nothing upstairs.. or downstairs for that matter.' guns are stupid from my standpoint, i see zero use for them.. if you need them for protection, MOVE TO A BETTER AREA.. i'm anti-hunting, as i can't see the enjoyment in killing god's creatures.. guns do nothing but kill people in my book.. and don't give me that 'guns don't kill people, people do.' duuuur, people need a trigger to pull in order to kill in 60% of the cases

GUNS SHMUNS, i say ban em all, melt em down and make tbird parts ;)
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Reply #67
Quote from: Shadow;375922
you're bickering over guns and gun laws now? seriously? it's always been my belief that 'he who owns guns, has nothing upstairs.. or downstairs for that matter.' guns are stupid from my standpoint, i see zero use for them.. if you need them for protection, MOVE TO A BETTER AREA.. i'm anti-hunting, as i can't see the enjoyment in killing god's creatures.. guns do nothing but kill people in my book.. and don't give me that 'guns don't kill people, people do.' duuuur, people need a trigger to pull in order to kill in 60% of the cases

GUNS SHMUNS, i say ban em all, melt em down and make tbird parts ;)

Well, you're either trolling or inadvertently ignorant. I can already see where this is headed so I'm going to try really hard to be "nice".

How would you feel if they banned any modification to any vehicle registered for highway use and enforced it? How about if "they" banned all recreational biking? IMHO, The Constitutional right that protects gun owners, recreational shooters, enthusiasts, hunters, collectors, shop club and range owners, competition shooters etc. trumps your frightened opinion on guns period. Don't like them, the solution is to not buy one. End of story. Just because YOU see no use for them, doesn't mean you, they or whomever has any reasonable argument or right to take away from those that do and do so lawfully. You can't possibly make a single coherent argument to the contrary.
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Reply #68
Sh
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Reply #69
Quote from: TOM Renzo;375927
Now shame do some research on this i dont want to see you jammed up. You cant configure a pre ban lower a pre ban gun and have it legal. You cant get papers for it. If you believe this then why does the gun shop not do it and sell it as a legal firearm. Reason being it is illegal. I would never lie to you. I have been in the gun culture since i was 5 and i research the laws very carefully. I also work with local  police on gun issues and i go to classes on the laws.  This is a car site sorry. Hay if you are ever down here in CT come on down to the range and we will bus some NINES together and have some fun. Thank you.
Well, I appreciate the concern. I've posted over on NES and am looking into it. If I'm wron, I'm wrong. Not afraid to admit that. Obviously if that's all true I won't be bothering with a pre-ban unless i can find a pre-ban upper and lower together or completely assembled. I't doesn't exactly break my heart either way. I talked to 2 shops today. One agrees with me and the other wasn't sure. Go figure. If it's true, i know of a few naughty people out there. One thing is for sure, the laws are deliberately misleading/confusing/overcomplicated and above all make no shaging sense at all.
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Reply #70
Hate to add gas to the fire, but in my town there is a huge crime spree going on. The targeted items of theft are flat screen TVs and guns. My advice to anyone who wants a gun is to try your best to make sure nobody knows you have them.

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Reply #71
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And any assault weapon obtained after that date is illegal. But just  like in CT you can definitely buy a pre ban lower. But you cant  configure it as such
To touch on this again for those curious:
 In order for a Pre-Ban lower to be legally used (with any upper, pre or post ban) and be considered a Pre-ban weapon, if would have had to be assembled as a complete weapon or "kitted" together prior to 9/13/04 (no longer a federal ban). If it was sold as a lower it must have a paper trail/dospoogeentation proving it was complete prior to the ban. Lowers that were sold separately prior to the band but not yet assembled, while there is zero case law, should not be used. So, not all Pre-Ban lowers "qualify" (which is retarded) but those that do CAN be sold/purchased as complete OR as separate lowers and assembled lawfully.

Obviously Post-Ban lowers and Pre-Ban uppers are a no-no but I don't think that was in question anyway.

Worthy of noting, apparently CT. managed to find a way to suck more than MA in regards to weapon bans. Imagine that. They even name the Colt AR-15 and Sporter specifically on their ban list.
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Reply #72
Quote from: Shadow;375922
you're bickering over guns and gun laws now?
Because arguing like imbeciles over Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge is better?
Don't get all uptight when a thread you originally hijacked gets hijacked out from under you...

Quote from: Shadow;375922
seriously? it's always been my belief that 'he who owns guns, has nothing upstairs.. or downstairs for that matter.'
Let's compare. Either/or, and see who's the "better man" in your own ignorant buttstuffogy.
For real, I'm game.

Anyways...
It's always been my belief that people who fear things criticize those things or the people who enjoy them, because they can't leave other people's hobbies/passions/etc the shag alone.
If you don't like something, leave it be.

Quote from: Shadow;375922
guns are stupid from my standpoint, i see zero use for them.. if you need them for protection, MOVE TO A BETTER AREA..
Ok, by your reasoning all cops should only be allowed to carry flashlights and packs of bubblemint gum. And crime happens everywhere. Fact. Ban guns completely out of existence, violent crime will still happen. Better ban cars too, idiots steal cars and run into innocent people. Ban pop and candy. Diabetes kills people too. See my point...?

I don't own guns so I can "feel safe", I own guns because it's a Constitutional right and my privilege to. I own guns because I like to hunt, to reload my own shells, to target practice and to learn various combos of bullets and powder loads. 

Quote from: Shadow;375922
i'm anti-hunting, as i can't see the enjoyment in killing god's creatures..
I will admit that killing an animal does affect me, but I'd like it a hell of a lot less if that 180 pound doe went through the windshield of a car with children in it.
Plus, it's free meat, and if nobody hunted, the ecosystem would rapidly get out of hand. Farmers would suffer, not mention the diseases that affect deer would move into livestock populations. What would ya eat then? Maple leaves? Pancakes?

Quote from: Shadow;375922
guns do nothing but kill people in my book.. and don't give me that 'guns don't kill people, people do.' duuuur, people need a trigger to pull in order to kill in 60% of the cases
Your ignorant statement should be amended to say this: "guns kill people, but only in the hands of desperate or drug-addled, or uncaring illegally-carrying persons bent on breaking many laws"
You sound just like the brainwashed lunatics who think that hamburger meat from the store is made in a factory somewhere...or worse, don't even eat meat in the first place.
You're from a place where hunting probably isn't a way of life, a tradition passed down for many generations. So don't insult me or countless others that do with your (very) narrow view of a pre-conceived notion of guns and those who (legally) own them.

Quote from: Shadow;375922
GUNS SHMUNS, i say ban em all, melt em down and make tbird parts ;)

I've been here a long time...seen a few trolls come and go. I really and truly don't give two steaming shiznits about your dislike of Camaros or most things chevy. Ain't where my animosity comes from. You've never hunted or eaten what you've killed. Never pitted your skills in the woods against a smarter and better opponent.

So if you're going to judge those who do, then kiss my ass, and GFY. :D
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Reply #73
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;376032
Because arguing like imbeciles over Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge is better?
Don't get all uptight when a thread you originally hijacked gets hijacked out from under you...


Let's compare. Either/or, and see who's the "better man" in your own ignorant buttstuffogy.
For real, I'm game.

Anyways...
It's always been my belief that people who fear things criticize those things or the people who enjoy them, because they can't leave other people's hobbies/passions/etc the shag alone.
If you don't like something, leave it be.


Ok, by your reasoning all cops should only be allowed to carry flashlights and packs of bubblemint gum. And crime happens everywhere. Fact. Ban guns completely out of existence, violent crime will still happen. Better ban cars too, idiots steal cars and run into innocent people. Ban pop and candy. Diabetes kills people too. See my point...?

I don't own guns so I can "feel safe", I own guns because it's a Constitutional right and my privilege to. I own guns because I like to hunt, to reload my own shells, to target practice and to learn various combos of bullets and powder loads. 


I will admit that killing an animal does affect me, but I'd like it a hell of a lot less if that 180 pound doe went through the windshield of a car with children in it.
Plus, it's free meat, and if nobody hunted, the ecosystem would rapidly get out of hand. Farmers would suffer, not mention the diseases that affect deer would move into livestock populations. What would ya eat then? Maple leaves? Pancakes?


Your ignorant statement should be amended to say this: "guns kill people, but only in the hands of desperate or drug-addled, or uncaring illegally-carrying persons bent on breaking many laws"
You sound just like the brainwashed lunatics who think that hamburger meat from the store is made in a factory somewhere...or worse, don't even eat meat in the first place.
You're from a place where hunting probably isn't a way of life, a tradition passed down for many generations. So don't insult me or countless others that do with your (very) narrow view of a pre-conceived notion of guns and those who (legally) own them.



I've been here a long time...seen a few trolls come and go. I really and truly don't give two steaming shiznits about your dislike of Camaros or most things chevy. Ain't where my animosity comes from. You've never hunted or eaten what you've killed. Never pitted your skills in the woods against a smarter and better opponent.

So if you're going to judge those who do, then kiss my ass, and GFY. :D


thank you for helping me win a bet lmao.. i bet someone who just cruises around the forum i could get you stirred up on a COMPLETELY different subject, both in context and subject matter and you just put $30 in my pocket.. thank you sir lol i didn't mean to offend anyone, but a bet is a bet and i never back down from a challenge.. i formally apologize if anyone was offended

i'm not really anti firearms, but i do believe the laws aren't strict enough.. i believe that there should be more requirements in order to possess a gun and ammunition should be harder to obtain

i am however against hunting, but i fully understand the necessity of such population control, otherwise we'd have a lot more accidents on the road caused by animals.. as well as such related disease spreading.. unfortunately, hunting isn't permitted in many areas around here because of the population, so there are still a lot of accidents involving deer.. the major reason being that the deer aren't given much of a confined wooded area to hunker down deep in the woods.. it's a shame really, their habitat is being destroyed by overly expensive housing complexes that most people can't even afford

as for the rest of what you said, i am NOT reading all of that.. it'll take me 3 hours.. or days lol
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Reply #74
Quote from: Shadow;376033
thank you for helping me win a bet lmao.. i bet someone who just cruises around the forum i could get you stirred up on a COMPLETELY different subject, both in context and subject matter and you just put $30 in my pocket.. thank you sir lol i didn't mean to offend anyone, but a bet is a bet and i never back down from a challenge.. i formally apologize if anyone was offended

i'm not really anti firearms, but i do believe the laws aren't strict enough.. i believe that there should be more requirements in order to possess a gun and ammunition should be harder to obtain

i am however against hunting, but i fully understand the necessity of such population control, otherwise we'd have a lot more accidents on the road caused by animals.. as well as such related disease spreading.. unfortunately, hunting isn't permitted in many areas around here because of the population, so there are still a lot of accidents involving deer.. the major reason being that the deer aren't given much of a confined wooded area to hunker down deep in the woods.. it's a shame really, their habitat is being destroyed by overly expensive housing complexes that most people can't even afford

as for the rest of what you said, i am NOT reading all of that.. it'll take me 3 hours.. or days lol

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'20 Malibu (I know, Chevy, but, 35MPG. Let's go brandon, eh)