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Re: Tripminder Install

Reply #45
EBAY!  Of course I found both of mine at the s yard.
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Re: Tripminder Install

Reply #46
ive got one im working on converting, i offered to sell it to another member, but if he doesnt want it, ill keep you posted
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Re: Tripminder Install

Reply #47
I've got a 84 turbo coupe it has a trip/minder clock but not like the one you show. It is the sytle that has only 5 buttons.2 of those buttons are used to set the time. The other 3 are labeled date,time.Etime.  I do believe that this is factory. I was just wondering what all the one you are showing can do?  And what all would I have to do to make it work on my older style with cable drive speedo. I do have the speed sensor like the later styles aslo. I was just bored and poking around so I tought I would ask. Thanks
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Re: Tripminder Install

Reply #48
what you have is just the digital clock, which tells time, elapsed time, and the date

the tripminder shows full date, including day and month, time, elapsed time, trip milage, average speed, instant MPG, average MPG, gallons used, and it can be in metric also
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Re: Tripminder Install

Reply #49
Just an FYI, I stripped out an 88 TC yesterday, and it didn't have the connector on the end of the clock harness. The clock wires ran directly into the main harness, so it seems the harnesses are hit and miss on these cars. :crazy:
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Re: Tripminder Install

Reply #50
im also finding out that the TC's didnt have a signal from Pin34 to the clock harness, only the Base/LX/LS/GS cars did
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Reply #51
Just had this PM'd to me. Then person that sent it isn't 100% sure about all T-Birds/Cougars, but in their own experience this is what they have discovered:

 
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In cars with the buttstuffogue clock the power wire for the 194 bulb is in place of the fuel flow wire, so cars that had the buttstuffogue clock DIDNT get the fuel flow wire at the clock harness. I pulled my tripminder one day, and was testing the wires for voltage and identifying each wire. I turned the lights on, and got 12ish volts at the fuel flow wire, lights off, 0

according to the NATO boys, in the TC's, the fuel flow wire goes up to an 8 pin connector on the firewall, which i believe is for the cruise control, i tried to use the EVTM i have on disk, and its a bit tricky, but i also traced it there, and found it on the connector actually in the car

So as you can see, it really ishiznit-and-miss when it comes to installing a tripminder. As with many other features in these cars, not all cars had the same wiring, and there seems to be no definitive pattern (having an LX, for example, does not guarantee you the harness). In some cars it's plug & play, in some there is no clock harness connector, in some the clock harness connector is there but the fuel flow wire is not (or is not connected to the fuel flow input on the computer), and in some that fuel flow wire is actually a backlighting wire for the buttstuffogue clock.

Regardless, I still think of this as a very easy modification, much easier than, say, installing an aftermarket stereo. All of the circuits required to make it work are already in all 80's fuel injected Fords, but in some cars you have to go looking for them. Most of the circuits required to make the tripminder to work will be in the dash by the clock, whether you have the connector or not. The tripminder needs:

Power (constant 12V)
Accessory (switched 12V)
Inst Cluster lighting (switched on with dash lights)
Ground

All of the above are at the clock, whether you've got the removable harness or not. It also needs:

VSS input (from speedometer)
Fuel flow input (from pin 34 at the EEC-IV computer)

So if you get a tripminder with the connector still attached, at the most you'll have to run two wires, one to the cluster and one to the computer. You can find all of the others at your existing clock, so if you have to, you can cut the factory clock connector off and splice on the tripminder connector.
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Reply #52
i just installed a tripminder a couple of days ago. i wish i had seen this thread so i could check for that harness, but adding 2 extra wires wasn't that bad at all. heck, i think that trying to set the clock today before reading how to earlier in this thread was harder than the actual install.:dunce:
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Reply #53
I was just trolling through my 87 Shop Manual Chassis Electrical Part 1 and 2, volume B  that covers continental, mark vii, tbird, cougar and mustang.

I found the tripminder section with wiring as well as troubleshooting.
I never knew the trip minder also has an onboard diagnostic system by pressing the TIME and EM buttons together.

would anyone like the info in this section?  id have to scan and save it.

Tripminder Install

Reply #54
Question for you guys, what would I have to do to install this in a 84mustang that didnt come with cruise (no VSS, I suspect).  Pin 34 will be easy to splice into.
Mike

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Reply #55
If your Mustang is EFI it would still have a VSS. If it's carbureted there is a fuel flow sensor that Ford used in earlier cars with trip minders, but they're extremely difficult to find
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Reply #56
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;174485
If your Mustang is EFI it would still have a VSS. If it's carbureted there is a fuel flow sensor that Ford used in earlier cars with trip minders, but they're extremely difficult to find


My '86 GT Stang without cruse control had no VSS... I kept getting a code because if this when I converted it to Mass Air...

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Reply #57
How about a 5.0 car with mass air (built from an 89 stang harness)?  Pin 34 is blank on the 60 pin...  How do I get a fuel flow signal?
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Reply #58
Hey guys this might seem like a dumb sort of question, but what is the best way to remove the rivets holding on the brackets to the tripminder/clock without damaging the unit? I was thinking a dremel with a grinding bit.
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Reply #59
I'd recommend taking it apart before taking anything off - don't want to damage the guts...
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