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Reply #60 –
Quote from: Sick88Tbird;277696
I'm thinking it's an easy 75-100lbs heavier than a 5.0.  Doing a 351 swap isn't really that bad at all...but the price of things tends to creep up on you if you're not prepared...all in all, not too bad and an excellent end result...just wondering how long the T-5 will live behind it...lol.


The entire swap is heavier, yes, but much of that is in the block. The rotating assembly is a different matter, in how the motor spins.
1988 Thunderbird Sport

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #61 –
Quote from: Sick88Tbird;277696
...just wondering how long the T-5 will live behind it...lol.

That was another factor in my decision. The car was getting a T5 come hell or high water, and I was concerned the tranny wouldn't live behind a 351...
2015 Mustang GT Premium - 5.0, 6-speed, Guard Green - too much awesome for one car

1988 5.0 Thunderbird :birdsmily: SOLD SEPT 11 2010: TC front clip/hood ♣ Body & paint completed Oct 2007 ♣ 3.55 TC rear end and front brakes ♣ TC interior ♣ CHE rear control arms (adjustable lowers) ♣ 2001 Bullitt springs ♣ Energy suspension poly busings ♣ Kenne Brown subframe connectors ♣ CWE engine mounts ♣ Thundercat sequential turn signals ♣ Explorer overhead console (temp/compass display) ♣ 2.25" off-road dual exhaust ♣ T-5 transmission swap completed Jan 2009 ♣

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #62 –
As long as I don't beat the hell out of it, the T5 should live an okay life...but that's easier said than done.
Project 3G: Grandpa Grocery Getter-'85 Crown Vic LTD 2-door, 351W with heavily ported/polished GT40 heads, heavily ported/polished Typhoon Power Plus upper & lower intake, Comp Cams 265DEH retarded 1*, FAST EZ-EFI, HD T5, 8.8" 3.73 trac lock with extra clutches, 3G alt. swap, '99 CVPI front brakes, '09 CVPI rear disc brakes, '00 CVPI booster&m/c + wilwood adj prop valve.

Parted & Gone-'88 T-bird Sport, 351W swap, ported GT40 heads

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;277700
That was another factor in my decision. The car was getting a T5 come hell or high water, and I was concerned the tranny wouldn't live behind a 351...


They have a hard enough time living behind 302's....
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #64 –
Quote from: V8Demon;277742
They have a hard enough time living behind 302's....


So do stock AOD's.  The options are spend a bunch of money on a built AOD or spend a bunch of money on a TKO 500.  That's if it's to live a long life behind a 351.  BTW, I don't think my 7.5 is very happy...I'll have to swap in that fresh 8.8 with 3.73's I guess.
Project 3G: Grandpa Grocery Getter-'85 Crown Vic LTD 2-door, 351W with heavily ported/polished GT40 heads, heavily ported/polished Typhoon Power Plus upper & lower intake, Comp Cams 265DEH retarded 1*, FAST EZ-EFI, HD T5, 8.8" 3.73 trac lock with extra clutches, 3G alt. swap, '99 CVPI front brakes, '09 CVPI rear disc brakes, '00 CVPI booster&m/c + wilwood adj prop valve.

Parted & Gone-'88 T-bird Sport, 351W swap, ported GT40 heads

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #65 –
go get a c6 out of a ford truck with a s.b. and put a shift kit in, it that will hold anything you throw at it. that will hold ya over till you have the money for the tko

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Reply #66 –
The C6 is stupid heavy and takes up a lot of real estate...that and the fact it has no OD...the T-5 should be okay for now.

As long as I don't do too much of this ---> :burnout:

-Don
Project 3G: Grandpa Grocery Getter-'85 Crown Vic LTD 2-door, 351W with heavily ported/polished GT40 heads, heavily ported/polished Typhoon Power Plus upper & lower intake, Comp Cams 265DEH retarded 1*, FAST EZ-EFI, HD T5, 8.8" 3.73 trac lock with extra clutches, 3G alt. swap, '99 CVPI front brakes, '09 CVPI rear disc brakes, '00 CVPI booster&m/c + wilwood adj prop valve.

Parted & Gone-'88 T-bird Sport, 351W swap, ported GT40 heads

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #67 –
Quote from: Sick88Tbird;277890
The C6 is stupid heavy and takes up a lot of real estate...

X2


Actually 1st & 2nd are fairly stout in a T5(but it's fairly easy to tear up the syncros and destroy the mating teeth for the blocking rings), it's 3rd that's a POS...

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #68 –
tom
are supercoupe aod's getting harder to find?  I think thats my final choice for the white coug,, to include the input shaft upgrade.

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #69 –
Ran the first full tank of gas through....and with very little abuse, I was able to average 14.5 mpg...before the 351 swap I was averaging around 16.5mpg...I do a lot of stop and go driving and live close to work.

I don't think the reason for the decreased fuel economy is simply just "a larger engine", I think it's a combination of a junky HO intake choking it off and 1 7/8" tailpipes causing the engine to work hard just to pump air through.  Wish I had money for bigger tailpipes...lol.  I would just cut them off, but I know it's going to get much louder both inside and out.  Maybe I'll put the pro-chamber back on then cut the tails off and see what happens.  2 1/2" all the way through the back of the glass pack then BOOM, restrictive tails...lol.
Project 3G: Grandpa Grocery Getter-'85 Crown Vic LTD 2-door, 351W with heavily ported/polished GT40 heads, heavily ported/polished Typhoon Power Plus upper & lower intake, Comp Cams 265DEH retarded 1*, FAST EZ-EFI, HD T5, 8.8" 3.73 trac lock with extra clutches, 3G alt. swap, '99 CVPI front brakes, '09 CVPI rear disc brakes, '00 CVPI booster&m/c + wilwood adj prop valve.

Parted & Gone-'88 T-bird Sport, 351W swap, ported GT40 heads

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #70 –
Besides the idle only going so low (625 rpm's minimum, more fuel at closed throttle due to more displacement) and heavier rotating assembly, there isn't much more that would affect overall economy besides the right foot. I would think that with enough money for a lighter and better balanced setup, you could actually get the same economy as the stock 302. Tweak the idle to 535 rpm's or so and closed throttle would be the same, all else equal.

Glad it sounds like it's all running well.
1988 Thunderbird Sport

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Reply #71 –
I don't expect it to get better fuel economy than the old set up, but by improving the efficiency of the intake and exhaust, I should be able to improve it a bit.

I pulled codes tonight just to see if there were any issues even though the light wasn't on.

I pulled KOEO-81,82...which are "air management circuit 2 fault" and "air management circuit 1 fault"...that's to be expected because I never pinned the TAB and TAD solenoids back in.

I pulled KOER- 44,94...thermactor air system inoperative #1-4, #5-8...that also was to be expected as I don't have any air pump or related equipment on the car.

I didn't get any codes from the O2's, so it's nice to know its running within the factory accepted a/f ratio.  No "out of range" codes for any other sensors, so it all seems to be good.
Project 3G: Grandpa Grocery Getter-'85 Crown Vic LTD 2-door, 351W with heavily ported/polished GT40 heads, heavily ported/polished Typhoon Power Plus upper & lower intake, Comp Cams 265DEH retarded 1*, FAST EZ-EFI, HD T5, 8.8" 3.73 trac lock with extra clutches, 3G alt. swap, '99 CVPI front brakes, '09 CVPI rear disc brakes, '00 CVPI booster&m/c + wilwood adj prop valve.

Parted & Gone-'88 T-bird Sport, 351W swap, ported GT40 heads

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #72 –
I don't expect anyone to think that but it would certainly be possible with those and perhaps some other minor tune adjustments. I doubt a 500rpm Windsor would ever be that smooth though. I've played with the idea of lowering my idle a little to see what I can pull out of city economy but making only 80ftlbs at idle, I doubt there is much to gain without other problems like alternator output.
1988 Thunderbird Sport

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #73 –
Yeah, it would probably sound AWESOME idling around 500rpm though...lol.  I might mess around with that later on, just to see.
Project 3G: Grandpa Grocery Getter-'85 Crown Vic LTD 2-door, 351W with heavily ported/polished GT40 heads, heavily ported/polished Typhoon Power Plus upper & lower intake, Comp Cams 265DEH retarded 1*, FAST EZ-EFI, HD T5, 8.8" 3.73 trac lock with extra clutches, 3G alt. swap, '99 CVPI front brakes, '09 CVPI rear disc brakes, '00 CVPI booster&m/c + wilwood adj prop valve.

Parted & Gone-'88 T-bird Sport, 351W swap, ported GT40 heads

*PICS* Just finished 351W swap...PICS ADDED!!!!

Reply #74 –
Ok. I got the bug. I picked up a 96 5.8L engine. I am getting the pan from a 351w 85 Grand Marquie. I am useing the Bronco Adapter for now.

I just want to get the engine runningin the car then modify it later. So I am going to put headers on, get a h pipe and cat back Magnaflow, a 89 distributer from a truck 351w,put on the adapter and toss the old 5.0L upper on, mass air for the 19's lbs and a A9L and do the wiring swap from a Non HO to a HO. I will stick with the truck cam for now.

But I have to ask, what flywheel or flex plate do i need? I heard just to use the mid 80's Crown Vic one with the 351w.Is that right?

Also how was the wiring for the computer? Did you have to change the wiring for the injectors or is that done through the pcm?

Oh and the A/C is the only problem you had with the hood clearance? ever thought of spacing your K-member like the big block swap guys do?

Thanks for the help to make me do this instead of the 460 swap.
1988 Thunderbird Sport. Work in Progress
5.8L swap w/fitech efi, 4R70W swap w/quick 4 controller, 2003 GT rear diff, 5 Lug swap

Bought this car back as an old project car.

:burnout: