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Reply #450 –
Quote from: jrad235;320998
I call spark! Also possibly your injectors(CFI) are clogged, more likely spark though. Could you list any parts you have thrown at it?


I have new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, TFI module (relocated), coolant temp sensor. Possibly the timing is off because when I did the TFI removal it was a must to rotate the distibutor to get the scews out to replace the module. However I think it's more than timing. Too many things going on. I think the converters are clogged too. This car is going to have to go to a shop that can help me get it back in good mechanical shape. This is gonna cost $$$... So the progress will be slow for a while. I will just work on what I can confidently do  for myself. I wish I had a Thunderbuddy close by that could help me with all this. Even my brother in law could help if his work schedule was not so gruelsome. It's a disadvantage growing up in a family of hairdressers and computer technicians.... And no motorheads!

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Reply #451 –
I think I may try to get this 89-91 steering wheel and see how it fits. I always liked the design and I think it fits the character of the Mustang dash more. It has the correct Bird emblem style plus I always liked the spoke shapes and arrangements. I had this wheel in my 1989. Hopefully this wheel will not be uncomfortably close to my chest. This will be a keeper if I like it, and if it fits on the column like I hope it will.

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Reply #452 –
Hey, that is a pretty sharp looking steering wheel!

I would try some seafoam in the tank. I've never used it, but I hear it works wonders. Timing could easily cause your problems if you aren't absolutely positive you put the distributor back in the same spot. When I got my new distributor, I had to back off the vacuum advance alot to get the car to rev off idle, because it would just bog/stumble and die. Do you have vacuum advance?

it, I only have one converter, so I've never had to deal with a clogged one, why do you think it's a problem?
1983 Tbird with '03 Split Port V6 motor swap done! Headers, dual exhaust, 500CFM Edelbrock, 3G upgrade, Electric fan. 3.73 Gears and an FRPP Limited Slip. Five lug complete! 5-Speed conversion complete! Standalone Fuel Injection in progress...

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Reply #453 –
Quote from: Watchdevil;321094
I think I may try to get this 89-91 steering wheel and see how it fits. I always liked the design and I think it fits the character of the Mustang dash more. It has the correct Bird emblem style plus I always liked the spoke shapes and arrangements. I had this wheel in my 1989. Hopefully this wheel will not be uncomfortably close to my chest. This will be a keeper if I like it, and if it fits on the column like I hope it will.


It will not fit on your column sadly . 

I tried one on my Mark VII  (the VII and the bird take the same Grant adapter number)

I have a really nice genuine leather grant wheel on my bird now I actually used the same style on my mark VII
Fox-less at the moment

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Reply #454 –
Quote from: jrad235;321118
Hey, that is a pretty sharp looking steering wheel!

I would try some seafoam in the tank. I've never used it, but I hear it works wonders. Timing could easily cause your problems if you aren't absolutely positive you put the distributor back in the same spot. When I got my new distributor, I had to back off the vacuum advance alot to get the car to rev off idle, because it would just bog/stumble and die. Do you have vacuum advance?

it, I only have one converter, so I've never had to deal with a clogged one, why do you think it's a problem?


I have used the Seafoam... It does work wonders! It helped me get the car started after it had been sitting for 10 years.

No vacuum advance on my car. It's TBI with a TFI...

I think the converters are bad simply because they overheat and at times they smoke from the seams. They may be clogged.

Good news is that ever since I ran Seafoam completely through the system and later filled the tank with fresh fuel, there is no longer any smoke coming from the tailpipe although the exhaust still smells rich.

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Reply #455 –
Quote from: hypostang;321121
It will not fit on your column sadly . 

I tried one on my Mark VII  (the VII and the bird take the same Grant adapter number)

I have a really nice genuine leather grant wheel on my bird now I actually used the same style on my mark VII


Lemme get this straight... Are you saying the 1989-92 Tbird wheel will not install on the 84 steering column? The way I read this is that you tried a 89-92 Tbird wheel on your Mark VII steering column.

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Reply #456 –
Quote from: Watchdevil;321177
Lemme get this straight... Are you saying the 1989-92 Tbird wheel will not install on the 84 steering column? The way I read this is that you tried a 89-92 Tbird wheel on your Mark VII steering column.


That is exactly what I am saying :D
The  steering column is the same from 84- up on all the foxs
The 79 to 83 used a splined shaft then they switched to a shaft with 2 flats .
 My wheel in my Mark VII was in really poor shape so I tried and found out that the 89 up bird wheel will not fit on the fox shaft unfortunately
Fox-less at the moment

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Reply #457 –
Quote from: hypostang;321181
That is exactly what I am saying :D
The  steering column is the same from 84- up on all the foxs
The 79 to 83 used a splined shaft then they switched to a shaft with 2 flats .
 My wheel in my Mark VII was in really poor shape so I tried and found out that the 89 up bird wheel will not fit on the fox shaft unfortunately


Thanks for clarifying! I had been looking at pics on eBay of the 89-93 Tbird wheels to see some clarity showing the center hole of the wheel and I was already aware of the possibility that the holes are different for MN-12 cars. My obsessive compulsive nature of course will look at one anyway and see if I can frabricate a way to make it fit.

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Reply #458 –
I hope you can , I think it would look great with your dash
Fox-less at the moment

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Reply #459 –
Ok, well, then cut the  things out since you'll have to replace them anyways. Do all four(?) of them smoke and overheat?

Side note: Mine smokes sometimes, but it's because the transmission leaks fluid onto the exterior of it when driving, do any of your converters have a trail of black goo on them?
1983 Tbird with '03 Split Port V6 motor swap done! Headers, dual exhaust, 500CFM Edelbrock, 3G upgrade, Electric fan. 3.73 Gears and an FRPP Limited Slip. Five lug complete! 5-Speed conversion complete! Standalone Fuel Injection in progress...

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Reply #460 –
Quote from: jrad235;321208
Ok, well, then cut the  things out since you'll have to replace them anyways. Do all four(?) of them smoke and overheat?

Side note: Mine smokes sometimes, but it's because the transmission leaks fluid onto the exterior of it when driving, do any of your converters have a trail of black goo on them?


You know I thought of that too... I recently put some Lucas Stop Leak in the engine and come to think of it I have not noticed the burning from the converters like I did before... It could have been oil or fluid dripping down on the converter and burning off. I'll have to pay closer attention...

Still trying to figure out why it has no power. I can rev it out of gear and there is no stall or hesitation but once it is under a load with the transmission engage it has no power when I stomp on it to accelerate or pass... it just stumbles like it is suffocated... then it simply does not run right after that and acts like it constantly wants to stall. Sometimes it does and has to be restarted.

Another steering wheel...

Reply #461 –
Well I got the 1989-93 Tbird wheel to fit. All it took was filing down the end of the steering column shaft flat in two places at 5 and 11o'clock positions as opposed to the original 3 and 9.

As I expected it sits closer to my chest like a wheel that has been telescoped out. I didn't seem to mind this with the 1985 Tbird I had with the Tempo wheel installed. It's just a longer reach from the wheel to the turn signal lever.  I'll try this for a while and see if it sticks with me but I do like the center pad design. And my horn functions with the pad again as opposed to the 1980-84 style wheel with the center emblem cap that has no horn function.

I also picked up another set of 89-93 steering column covers to save for the future in case I decide to go with a manual transmission to replace the auto. I want to do turn signal lever and switch as well but it requires that there be a wiper control unit to operate with the switches. Using the 89-93 turn signal switch and lever will bring the lever where it needs to be.

Another thing I decided to pick up was a roof console from an Explorer. I found one in great shape and still attached to the roof. This will of course have the temp and compass readings and I did remember to get the temp sensor from the bumper area of that Explorer. I just have two wires to figure out what they are for and I will be able to make it function. Gonna look that up now.

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Reply #462 –
Is that an airbag wheel?
Fox-less at the moment

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Reply #463 –
He has an airbag dash, why not an airbag wheel?! :D

P.S. Looks Great!!!! Can't wait to see the finished product!
...and there was light!

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Reply #464 –
Quote from: hypostang;322017
Is that an airbag wheel?


No 1989-93 Thunderbirds had no airbag but the wheel had a huge pad that would suggest one. 1994 was the first year the Tbird had airbags and it used the same steering wheel style as the Mustang that year along with many other Ford products but with emblem specific covers for each vehicle model.