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Reply #45 –
Bird 351 the lady that you hapen to be talking about IF we are talking about the same had polio, she was not in a progressive vegetive state. Heard some  about a woman that had polio and was now wheel chair ridden on rush limbaugh.

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Reply #46 –
Don't remember seeing anything about polio, but I'm pretty sure it was a woman, at least. She had suffered some sort of massive brain trauma and was out of it for years.. but is now up and about living a relatively normal life, from what I recall of it.

I just can't fish through all the articles (and, no surprise, there are TONS of them now) for more than a few minutes without worsening my mood significantly.. and I was hoping to counteract that bad mood tonight with a few drinks and some non-depressing diversion.

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Reply #47 –
Well sorry for screwing that all up but she was only in her coma for a few years 5 or 6 not 15.

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Reply #48 –
There was another woman's name who came up while I was looking for that article I mentioned, and she had been in a coma for 20 years and just started talking to people one day. Sarah was her first name, but I forgot her last.. but a story on her came up on like 20 different Google links. Same story word for word on every link, though.

Now I'm dealing with the ripoff guy again.. found out a third person was ripped off by him, but this guy got a negative feedback in. (I had left positive feedback, since at the time I left it, the buyer had paid.. couple days later he put on the hold) I've left follow-up feedback on it, as has the third guy who got ripped off.

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Reply #49 –
Ryan Corbin is Pat Boone's grandson. He fell through a skylight and bashed his head in pretty good. He came out of his coma in ~6 months.
Sarah Scantlin is the other person that was mentioned. She was never in a PVS. The articles say she could blink yes or no, thus she had awareness of the "outside".

Neither case has any bearing on Schiavo. I've looked around to see if anybody in Terri's condition for such a long time has come back. I haven't found one yet. Ann Coulter has an article that mentions several coma victims that recovered. Problem is, none of them were ever in a PVS. The closest I've found is Corbin, but he began to recover within a year. Shiavo undwernt extensive rehab for over 1.5 years without coming out of the coma.

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Reply #50 –
Ann Coulter has been in a PVS for years.  Have you listened to her talk?

What I don't understand is there has been relatively no mention by any news agency about Terri's bulimia being the actual cause of the heart attack that started it all.  Sure they may make brief mention of it, but nothing in depth.  Just want to paint her husband as an insensitive prick who's only in it for the money.  Had that been the case he'd of been gone long ago.  If her parents, like any other parents, are so concerned about watching her starve to death, why didn't they step in as a parent should when she was willingly doing it to herself?  I can't wait until the only thing on tv are stories about how after 9/11 'we're still vulnerable at nuclear power plants and here is to bypass security' or stories about 'more deadly attacks in Iraq today'.

F the mainstream media, give me Army of Darkness on SciFi any day!

In Bruce Campbell we trust.

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Reply #51 –
Yes in BRUCE CAMPBELL WE ALL TRUST. And i have heard of the bulimia i think that she had a problem with potassium.

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Reply #52 –
Quote from: ban-one
Ann Coulter has been in a PVS for years.  Have you listened to her talk?

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Tell me about it.

Here is everything you need to know about this case:[/u]





Tom (hypocrite) DeLay had to decide to cut his own dad's life support: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&e=4&u=/ap/brain_damaged_woman_delay

Bob (don't kill my daughter) Shindler terminated his mothers life support: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1077219,00.html

-snip-

"But, given the vehemence with which he has been fighting to prolong Terri's life, it is a little surprising to learn that Robert decided to turn off the life-support system for his mother. She was 79 at the time, and had been ill with pneumonia for a week, when her kidneys gave out. "I can remember like yesterday the doctors said she had a good life. I asked, 'If you put her on a ventilator does she have a chance of surviving, of coming out of this thing?'" Robert says. "I was very angry with God because I didn't want to make those decisions.""

"Myths about the Shiavo Case"[/u]

Michael Schiavo tried to kill his wife. Terri's nurse said so.

If you want to believe this you must also believe that practically person involved in Mrs. Schiavo's care conspired to cover up attempted murder. The court did review the affidavit of one Carla Iyer, registered nurse who claims:

- Mrs. Schiavo was lucid.
- All of her notes indicating Terri was lucid were mysteriously deleted.
- She saved Mrs. Schiavo's life after her husband "injected her" with insulin.
- A fellow LPN was possibly killing patients.
- She was fired after she told police about all these crimes.

The court found Ms. Iyer's tales "incredible" which is legalese for "bullshiznit". In order for her claims to be true everyone from Mrs. Schiavo's doctors to the police had to decide to cover up for Michael Schiavo.

Theresa Schiavo is lucid.

I do not wish to be disrespectful here, but I am dealing with people determined to ignore cold facts, so I will be blunt. Mrs. Schiavo is about as lucid as your average Venus Flytrap. She responds reflexively to some stimulus, but there is NO willful, deliberate or conscious actions.

The cerebral cortex of Mrs. Schiavo's brains was destroyed 15 years ago due to anoxia (oxygen starvation) brought about when heart stopped beating due to a potassium imbalance. The cerebral cortex is responsible for all higher brain functions. It is the part of the brain that makes you "you". It allows you to think, it contains your personality, your language and and voluntary motor functions. Without this part of your brain you are like a computer with know operating system. They can boot you up in the morning, but you pretty much just sit there and do nothing except consume electricity.

Theresa Schiavo could get better.

Yes, theoretically, in a parallel universe, two hundred years in the future where Star Trek is actually real, Dr. McCoy could travel back in time and stumble across Mrs. Schiavo and give her a pill (which she couldn't swallow, since swallowing is a conscious action) and she would regrow her cerebral cortex. Mr. Spock would then find the keeper of her katra and restore her personality via a Vulcan Mind Meld™.

But, short of that, no, she won't get better.

But people have come out of these types of situations before. I read in Reader's Digest about this guy who was in a coma/vegetative state who suddenly started writing a novel...

Stop! This is an "apples and oranges" situation. The folks you have read about suffered physical trauma to their brain, usually as a result of falls and car crashes. The cerebral cortex was damaged, but still there. Mrs. Schiavo's cortex is not damaged, it is DEAD. The brain tissue died from lack of oxygen. In fact, the cortex has shriveled and liquefied.

Let's go to the CT Scan where Carol Merrill is standing:


As you can see, you can't think with what isn't there.

Future medical advances, like stem cell research, could help her regrow dead brain tissue.

Yeah, like stem cell research is blazing along in Bush's America. That issue aside, such things are WAY in the future. Also, assuming such a technology showed up courtesy of Dr. McCoy's vacation layover in this dimension, and you regrew the dead brain tissue, the tissue would be BLANK. The unique essence that was Theresa Schiavo has been lost forever. It was lost 15 years ago.

Nothing is going to change this. Not Wendi Freisen hypnosis CDs, not Bob with a truckload of Enzyte™, and not Benny Hinn and a Holy Ghost Machine Gun (pat pending).

Senator Bill Frist, who is a heart surgeon said Terri's diagnosis was wrong and he looked at the tapes and she wasn't really in a vegetative state.

1) Dr. Bill is a quack. Why do I say that? Because only a quack would diagnose a person he has NEVER met, never mind examined.

2) It's Mrs. Schiavo to you.

3) While Dr. Bill is a medical doctor (or at least he plays one in the senate), he is NOT a neurologist or a neurosurgeon. He is not qualified to make ANY diagnosis of Mrs. Schiavo's condition. A civil engineer is not a nuclear engineer and we don't give much credence to his opinion on nuclear reactor design.

4) Dr. Bill is using Mrs. Schiavo as a tool to pander to the religiously insane side of the Republican party. In 1989 Frist advocated changing the definition of "brain dead" to include anencephalic babies. Anencephalic babies are in the same state as Terri Schiavo except that she suffered a physical trauma that put her into a vegetative state while the anencephalic babies are born that way.

Michael wants his wife dead so he can collect the money from her settlement.

1) The fund was exhausted years ago. This charge was made back in 1998 and was found without merit by the court. Michael had at the time formally offered to surrender his wife's trust fund to independent administration. He would in now way benefit from the money.

2) That's Mr. Schiavo to you.

Michael Schiavo wants his wife dead so he can marry another woman.

Mr. Schiavo could have divorced his wife long ago and married anyone he wanted. Mr. Schiavo started dating again at the insistence of his in-laws who encouraged him to get on with his life. Mr. Schiavo went so far as to introduce women he was dating to his in-laws.

Michael Schiavo abused his wife and neglected her care.

Dr. Wolfson, the court-appointed Guardian Ad Litem who spent a month investigating the Schiavo case found that Mrs. Schiavo received outstanding care from both her parents and her husband. In fact, he noted in his report that after 13 years in a bed, she had never ONCE developed a bed sore. The medical professionals out there will tell you that this is indicative of near miraculous, exceptional care.

Theresa Schiavo's parents are evil.

No, they just love their daughter. They have allowed their love to cloud their judgment so much that they have become puppiess of outside groups with political agendas who are lying to them and giving them false hopes.

Michael Schiavo petitioned the court to kill his wife.

No, he asked the court to step in (in accordance with Florida law) and determine whether life support should be stopped. The court, acting as a proxy, ruled that Mrs. Schiavo was in a "persistive vegetative state", had no hope of getting better, and had told people at various times (funerals) before her accident that she had no desire to be kept alive in such a state.

The court found all the evidence "clear and convincing" and order her feeding tube removed. The COURT did this, not Michael Schiavo.

A feeding tube is nourishment, not life support.

Not according to Florida law:

Life-prolonging procedure" means any medical procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores, or supplants a spontaneous vital function.

§ 765.101(10)

The video tape I saw shows here reacting to people.

The video you saw was edited to give that impression. It was culled from hours of video where Mrs. Schiavo did absolutely nothing. Random or reflexive reactions do not demonstrate cognition.

Removing the feeding tube is a cruel thing to do. She will be in agony, dying of hunger and thirst.

No. The part of Mrs. Schiavo's brain that would register pain of this sort is gone. Medical professionals describe the death as peaceful.

A summary of Mrs. Schaivo's Guardian Ad Litem's report can be found here:

http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/mt/archives/001986.html


Further reading:

Abstract Appeal - Timeline and excellent source of court rulings
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

Dr. Jay Wolfson's Guardian Ad Litem report
http://www.miami.com/multimedia/miami/news/0319schiavo_...

Q&A on legal issues in Schiavo case
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11197084.htm

Bio of Theresa Schiavo
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11183098.htm

Death when a feeding tube is withdrawn is "placid"
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11183111.htm


"Sanctity of Life" people threatening to KILL judge in Schiavo case:


http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2005/mar/26/032609136.html

"Death threats have been made against him for allowing Michael Schiavo to remove the feeding tube that has kept his 41-year-old wife alive for the past 15 years, and the Southern Baptist church that Greer belonged to for years has asked him to leave the congregation.

Greer - a conservative Christian and longtime Republican known for an easy manner - has become the public face of the judiciary in this internationally watched fight. But despite the mounting pressure, he has been steadfast in his rulings that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state and did not want to be kept alive artificially."

Sanctity of life my ass...  :disappoin
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Reply #53 –
..and my disgust with the average person's response just keeps on rising.

Ahh, that poll.. good ol' "democracy" in action. "Democracy" as in two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

You lost any chance of me reading all that when you started the "that's Mr. Schiavo to you" nonsense. As far as I'm concerned, "Mr. Schiavo" can be "Mr. Sucking-chest-wound-from-a-rifle-round".. I might even hoist a beverage in toast to one less scumbag in the world, if someone did it.

Too bad you can't chalk up my reaction to some "fanatical religious right-wing" thing. I'm neither a christian nor a republican.

Well, I'm guessing this thread is closing in on a lock.. but it's no longer a concern of mine. I wash my hands of this shiznit. My fiance is tired of the sudden downturn in my mood that comes every time one of these type posts or articles comes up.. and I'm tired of having to tell her I'm not in the mood to joke around just a few minutes after the last episode of joking around. Let "Mrs. Schiavo to you" die, let "Mr. Schiavo to you" die painfully, I don't care anymore. The confirmation of this post will be my last viewing of this thread. I have other matters to get annoyed over, like every time I think of that snot-nosed little punk that ripped me off.

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Reply #54 –
Hey Cougar5.0, you near Nashua?

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Reply #55 –
Quote from: ban-one
Hey Cougar5.0, you near Nashua?


I'm within 30 miles of Nashua - why?

Bird351 - I'm sorry that this case bothers you so much - I simply collected a summary of facts about this case - sorry that you do not want to hear another point of view on this issue - there are 10's of millions of us who represent keeping the government out of our personal lives and who support states rights and the Constitution of the United States. We can't change laws after the fact.
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Reply #56 –
I have a buddy that lives in Nashua.  Has his own software company.  You ever go near the Kennedy car wash?

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Reply #57 –
Quote from: ban-one
I have a buddy that lives in Nashua.  Has his own software company.  You ever go near the Kennedy car wash?


No, that's not familiar to me - I rarely get to Nashua though. Haven't been there for about a year.
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Reply #58 –
The Kennedy car wash is the lake where Teddy dumped the car and drowned that girl oh so many years ago.

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Reply #59 –
Oh, I thought you were talking about something serious.
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