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Reply #30
Quote from: Birdman;237690
Two Words

Mechanics Lein.


this is the only way out.  Mechanics leans are pretty common and dont forget to leave a tip:D

I just worry that you were willing to commit a felony.  Maybe you need to grow up some more.  If the truth hurts, then its intent was to burn.  Asking a member to join you isnt good for your rep either,, and dont side step on it. 

You have all these problems and yet you considered something stupid over what?  a stupid car?  Im so glad you arent doing this because you would always be looking over your shoulder.

What was your plan for all the other vin tags in the hidden areas of the car you dont know about?  Duh,, gotcha.

Better stick with the path of least resistance.,, mechanics lean.

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Reply #31
Call your insurance company and "suspend" the insurance.  You should be able to reactivate it and/or apply it to another vehicle when you're ready. 

I like the mechanic's lien idea, but it might not work.  Do you have a lawyer connection?  Not sure what the laws are where you are but there's got to be a way to get past this.
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Reply #32
In VA we can apply for an abandoned vehicle title... If it's been in your possession for more than 30 days, all that has to be done is the DMV sends a letter to the last registered owner and if they don't respond in 10 days, you're issued a title...

A mechanics lean is good anywhere...

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Reply #33
Another way to possibly go is "abandoned vehicle". If your state allows. I believe all you have to do is run adds in local papers for 'x' time and presto, yu can get title to vehicle. Check into it and LUK.

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Reply #34
my tittle looks new. my dad recieved it from my gramps, i guess he had the bill of sale b/c the first name on the title is actually mine from when he signed it over to me.  no bill of sale im suspecting.  im not sure how he did it, i'll give him an ask but i doubt i'll post up results unless you want to know.
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Reply #35
Quote from: V8Demon;237719
You DO realize he was joking and that it is a [COLOR="Red"]felony[/COLOR] to do that, right?


Lookup VIN tampering.


o its a felony.....
Well I was gonna have the vin match the insurance, plates, and title. Say that the car was bought with no interior just the title, and that I had to attach a vin to the dash so it would ahve the right one.....


But fate has shined on me and theres a RI guy with a mark 7 that i was gonna buy awhile back, and he wants it gone and I can get it cheappp, needs some TLC but nothings near what my car needed, its his DD at the moment. Plyus comes with spare control arms and poly bushings for them, a aluminum radiator and other spare parts. Use my car to mod it, and fix everything on it, pull my motor and trans, freshen them up and mod them alittle, and swap it into the new one, and put all the parts i take off from the other one in mine, and give it to my dad to replace his t bird as a DD so we can repair it.
RIP 1988 and 1990 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
I welcomed the dark side and currently am driving a 2000 Dodge Durango SLT plus, with a 5.9, Code named project "Night Runner"
Shes black on black, fully loaded, with headers, 180 tstat, e fan, straight exhaust into a cherry bomb vortex ler, full tune up, ported intake and T/B, MSD coil, and round aircleaner.
Mods to come: Fully rebuilt and heavily modded 46RE, and a richmond rachet locker.
my $300 beater ;)
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Reply #36
make sure he has a title for it! LOL!
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Reply #37
what is a mechanics lien? RI said they have nothing I can do, and i ahve never heard of that, can someone explain? I still want to get the car legal to give to my dad.
Bear if that doesnt work Ill talk to you.
RIP 1988 and 1990 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
I welcomed the dark side and currently am driving a 2000 Dodge Durango SLT plus, with a 5.9, Code named project "Night Runner"
Shes black on black, fully loaded, with headers, 180 tstat, e fan, straight exhaust into a cherry bomb vortex ler, full tune up, ported intake and T/B, MSD coil, and round aircleaner.
Mods to come: Fully rebuilt and heavily modded 46RE, and a richmond rachet locker.
my $300 beater ;)
R.I.P Kayleigh Raposa 12/18/90 - 2/24/07

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Reply #38
Quote from: 32VFoxBird;238118
make sure he has a title for it! LOL!


Its his DD its registered in RI
I DONT need a title for his car lol
He HAS IT but I dont need it, just his old registration. Even if he didnt RI could serch it find it and id be done. Because the guy I bought my car from never registered it is what screweddddd my sideways
Will be nice to build up the mark I want!
RIP 1988 and 1990 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
I welcomed the dark side and currently am driving a 2000 Dodge Durango SLT plus, with a 5.9, Code named project "Night Runner"
Shes black on black, fully loaded, with headers, 180 tstat, e fan, straight exhaust into a cherry bomb vortex ler, full tune up, ported intake and T/B, MSD coil, and round aircleaner.
Mods to come: Fully rebuilt and heavily modded 46RE, and a richmond rachet locker.
my $300 beater ;)
R.I.P Kayleigh Raposa 12/18/90 - 2/24/07

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Reply #39
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o its a felony.....
Well I was gonna have the vin match the insurance, plates, and title. Say that the car was bought with no interior just the title, and that I had to attach a vin to the dash so it would ahve the right one.....


So that would be what?!

VIN tampering, intent to defraud, and possible civil lawsuits if an incident occured causing personal injury/death.

Do you understand how dire the consequences could be for some metal, plastic, rubber and electrical wire when it all boils down to it?

If I ever find out you do actually decide to go through with that I will have no choice but to do the right thing and report you myself....

FFS; some people should really think about what they type out on a keyboard and how it could possibly come back to bite them in the ass at a later date and time.  Normally, I'd leave something like this well enough alone, but with a scenario as serious as this I have to chime in. 

I am in no way threatening you.  I harbor no ill-will against you.  I understand you were most likely unknowing about the consequences of such a possible action.  At the same time you must realize that I have an obligation to fulfill and I will fulfill it. 

I will say (type) anymore concerning this particular matter as I have spoken my mind on it and you seem reasonably intelligent enough to make the correct decision.

I truly do hope that you get this worked out in a legal manner.
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Reply #40
Quote from: daboss351;238120
I DONT need a title for his car


Any effing car you buy from now on should have a title...just think of it as covering your ass...it's a LOT easier this way. Also make sure you have the bill of sale as well.

EDIT it IS against the law to buy/sell a vehicle without a title AND b.o.s.  near everywhere.....yeah, it's a hassle, and a few bucks...but if you plan on putting a car on the road, it's a must-have. We're only harping on you because you've spent a lotta time and probably quite a few bucks on this car to see you piss it away by a bad judgement call with a title..If we didn't care, we wouldn't be trying to help ya out here. Good luck man!
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Reply #41
Quote from: V8Demon;238122
So that would be what?!

VIN tampering, intent to defraud, and possible civil lawsuits if an incident occured causing personal injury/death.

Do you understand how dire the consequences could be for some metal, plastic, rubber and electrical wire when it all boils down to it?

If I ever find out you do actually decide to go through with that I will have no choice but to do the right thing and report you myself....

FFS; some people should really think about what they type out on a keyboard and how it could possibly come back to bite them in the ass at a later date and time.  Normally, I'd leave something like this well enough alone, but with a scenario as serious as this I have to chime in. 

I am in no way threatening you.  I harbor no ill-will against you.  I understand you were most likely unknowing about the consequences of such a possible action.  At the same time you must realize that I have an obligation to fulfill and I will fulfill it. 

I will say (type) anymore concerning this particular matter as I have spoken my mind on it and you seem reasonably intelligent enough to make the correct decision.

I truly do hope that you get this worked out in a legal manner.



Trust me I didnt think it was that bad
so im NOT i repeat NOT going that route. Im BUYING another car
RIP 1988 and 1990 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
I welcomed the dark side and currently am driving a 2000 Dodge Durango SLT plus, with a 5.9, Code named project "Night Runner"
Shes black on black, fully loaded, with headers, 180 tstat, e fan, straight exhaust into a cherry bomb vortex ler, full tune up, ported intake and T/B, MSD coil, and round aircleaner.
Mods to come: Fully rebuilt and heavily modded 46RE, and a richmond rachet locker.
my $300 beater ;)
R.I.P Kayleigh Raposa 12/18/90 - 2/24/07

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Reply #42
Quote from: FordTruckFreeek;238130
Any effing car you buy from now on should have a title...just think of it as covering your ass...it's a LOT easier this way. Also make sure you have the bill of sale as well.

EDIT it IS against the law to buy/sell a vehicle without a title AND b.o.s.  near everywhere.....yeah, it's a hassle, and a few bucks...but if you plan on putting a car on the road, it's a must-have. We're only harping on you because you've spent a lotta time and probably quite a few bucks on this car to see you piss it away by a bad judgement call with a title..If we didn't care, we wouldn't be trying to help ya out here. Good luck man!


actually over 10 years old u dont need a title as long as you have registered the car cause that proves u own it
RIP 1988 and 1990 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
I welcomed the dark side and currently am driving a 2000 Dodge Durango SLT plus, with a 5.9, Code named project "Night Runner"
Shes black on black, fully loaded, with headers, 180 tstat, e fan, straight exhaust into a cherry bomb vortex ler, full tune up, ported intake and T/B, MSD coil, and round aircleaner.
Mods to come: Fully rebuilt and heavily modded 46RE, and a richmond rachet locker.
my $300 beater ;)
R.I.P Kayleigh Raposa 12/18/90 - 2/24/07

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Reply #43
Quote from: daboss351;238119
what is a mechanics lien? RI said they have nothing I can do, and i ahve never heard of that, can someone explain? I still want to get the car legal to give to my dad.
Bear if that doesnt work Ill talk to you.

A mechanic's lien is this: Say you have a car and it breaks. You take the car to a shop and have $1500 worth of work done on it, but you can't afford the bill. The mechanic can then place a lien on your vehicle (he can, and should, actually prevent you from taking it). After 30 days, if the lien is not paid, the mechanic can go to the DMV and have the title transferred into his name so he can sell it and get his money.

In your case, if you had a mechanic friend or are friendly with a shop, they can place a lien on the title, wait 30 days, then "sell" the car to you.

There are some caveats to a mechanic's lien. First and foremost, the mechanic MUST have a signed work order. Without the work order there is no contract so the mechanic has no right to a lien. Of course this is only true if the vehicle owner wants to dispute the lien (the signed work order is to prevent him from saying "I didn't authorize that, so I'm not paying"). As long as it's not disputed a signature isn't 100% necessary. In your case there likely won't be a dispute, however if the car's title holder finds out about the lien (the state might contact him) he can contest it and can take the car back from you without paying you anything.

Second, in order to be worth the paper the lien's printed on, the mechanic must retain possession of the car. If he lets the customer take it he can still place a lien on it, but he's got no right to repossess. This is why many shops and almost all impound yards have fences around them, and why the shops without fences will either bring vehicles that have outstanding bills inside or block them with other vehicles. If the car owner gets the car in his possession, even if he does it illegally, it's his (however, he'd still have to answer to any laws he broke getting it, such as B&E or trespassing, as well as any damage to other vehicles, fences, etc). The lien is still attached to the title, but as long as the owner keeps the car the lien is just a piece of paper. In other words, if your car is in impound and you can somehow manage to get into the lot and "steal" your own car back the impound lot owner cannot come to your house and "retake" the car. He can sue you for the towing/impound fees you owe, but he cannot re-tow the car. That's why they usually have fences and really big, really nasty dogs (and quite often, guns).

If the car owner has the car and tries to sell it the mechanic or lot owner can have the portion owed to him deducted from the sale price (or he can prevent the new owner titling the car) but that would involve courts, lawyers, and other stuff - it's much easier for the shop to just keep the car.

Of course there are exceptions to the "If you've got it, it's yours" rule. For example, if a bank repossesses your car, you cannot go and steal it back (because technically, it never was "your" car to begin with). Also, if the car was seized by police for any reason (such as if you were in a hit-and-run or DUI and the police took your car as part of their investigation) you can't just go and take it back (unless it's been released to the impound lot owner, in which case it's between you and him). And, of course, laws vary state to state and county to county. My explanation is the Nova Scotia version of it (I know a bit about it because I've lien'd cars before, and gone through the "bring the car inside every night so he doesn't steal it back" routine).
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Reply #44
Quote from: daboss351;238136
actually over 10 years old u dont need a title as long as you have registered the car cause that proves u own it

RI may be different, but in NS the registration IS the title. We have two DMV documents for a car - the registration (title) and the permit. The registration proves you own the car and never expires. The permit allows the car to be driven on public roads and includes license plates. The registration also doubles as a bill-of-sale (it's got a transfer of title form on it for when you sell it).

Regardless, don't make the same mistake you did with this Mark. Get whatever you need to get the car legally in your name.
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