EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #30 – March 13, 2005, 09:55:13 AM

Quote from: MasterBlaster

Ah, yes... An exercise in creative thinking (uncommon swap)

Ahem... "it's a waste of time/can't be done/are you insane"

Actually, you're quoting my old thread on it.. not Haystack's.

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #31 – March 13, 2005, 10:03:10 AM

Quote from: TurboCoupe50

I'm thinking the same.....

But seriously have you researched a computer system to run this beast??? If not possibly a Super Coupe EEC could be adapted since it works with a boosted engine and large injectors(30-36lb depends on year). It would require a bunch of re-wiring but it could be done.

The SC EEC was already mentioned, yes.. and that's about the size injector we've discussed elsewhere. (30-36) If not, some custom EFI setup might've been in the plans. I don't plan on doing this until my financial situation is vastly improved, which I'm working on changing. Also not going to happen until the V8 Bird is up and running again.

So which part were you going for? The "are you insane" or "waste of time" or "can't be done"? :p

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #32 – March 13, 2005, 10:34:25 AM

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Actually, you're quoting my old thread on it.. not Haystack's.

Well, I wasn't sure who kept the same screen names over here, but I remembered the thread.

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #33 – March 13, 2005, 10:50:11 AM

Who else would *want* this name after I've used it for so long? :p

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #34 – March 14, 2005, 03:12:37 PM

Interesting.. there's talk over on FTE about using the rockers from a 3.8.. although they're wanting the 1.73/1.8 rockers.

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #35 – April 06, 2005, 06:55:06 PM

OK, thread was almost out of sight but not out of mind.

So CoolCats lists a 1.6 rocker for the 3.8.. but two different people claim they're 1.73s. I don't know what to say on that one. If they're 1.73s, and they work on the 300 with only minor machining, I guess I may have to swipe 'em off my 3.8 when time comes for the swap.

Tom never answered which part he was agreeing with, so I'm going to guess the "are you insane?" part. :D

Been thinking a lot about K-members lately. I've seen quite a few well-worn Fairmonts running around town lately, that could possibly be sources of an I6 K-member. Does anyone think there's a chance one of these K-member companies (or even a decent local welding shop, I know one place where my dad used to be a friend of the owner) could/would do a custom (tubular, etc.) I6 K-member? I remember someone (Shame302, I think) mentioning in another thread that one place asked him how much he wanted an engine dropped with a custom K-member.. but of course that was a V8 K-member.. 'cause I'm the only insane one that wants an I6 in a T-bird. :p

Anyway.. some of the other conditions of doing this are finally starting to budge in better directions. The absolute worst of my financial pit of desperation is coming to an end.. and the dark blue T-bird is much closer to operational. Yeah, the I6 project is still a LONG way off.. but now I don't feel quite so stupid thinking about it.

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #36 – April 06, 2005, 07:10:52 PM

maybe you could get a 5.0 supercharger and convert it using a custom intake for the i-6. I really would be willing to help you in anyway that you need it. If you get yours to work, I might go the same route.

*edit*thinking about it, if a 300 inline fits, and a v-8 fits, dosent that mean that a v-12 will fit?

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #37 – April 06, 2005, 07:18:37 PM

Well, when the time comes, I will probably contact the Kenne Bell people and ask them if they could adapt their Jeep 4.0 I6 kit to a Ford 4.9L.. but I guess anything's possible.

That would be nifty if someone else found a point to copying what I'm trying to do.. even if it's not for the same reasons I'm doing it. Of course, from the many angles, it probably does make more sense for most people to "just put a 5.0 in it".. but now I have a 5.0 T-bird, and I'd like to indulge my oddness a little bit on the other Bird.

EDIT for an edit: I suppose it would depend on what V12. I don't know much about any existing V12, so I couldn't help ya there. I think the I6 is going to be tight, but it should work. I'm more worried about that 10 inch deck height and what not. I'd rather keep a stock hood if at all possible.

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #38 – April 06, 2005, 07:56:01 PM

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So CoolCats lists a 1.6 rocker for the 3.8.. but two different people claim they're 1.73s

Make that 3 people. They are in fact 1.73:1 STOCK! At least from 88 on back they were. The latest ones might be different, but I doubt it.....

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #39 – April 06, 2005, 08:02:56 PM

Well, this is the part in question: http://www.coolcats.net/tech/general/v6.html

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ROCKER ARMS
You can use roller rocker arms from the 5.0 V8--they'll work, and sometimes can be bought in sets of 12 instead of 16. Since the stock ratio is 1.6 you should use this ratio in roller rockers as well.

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #40 – April 06, 2005, 08:08:39 PM

Like I said, I knew a guy with a 300 in an '82 Capri/Mustang ization, and I know he was too stupid to build a custom crossmember. It fit in the car with the stock hood... well, it was a stock Capri hood on a Mustang (which, as it turned out, made it about 3" too long owing to the Capri's upright grille versus the '82 Mustang's laid back grille).

Believe me, if I had a garage and the time i would steal this idea right out from under you :D You got me thinking bigtime, and I do think it could be done fairly easily and inexpensively with little more than a wrecked SC for parts. You could get the M90, injectors, electronics, etc from the TC. You'd have to make up a bracket to hold the M90, and you'd have to make up some plumbing. Of course, you'd also have to come up with a way to stick that 300 in there as well :D A mild performance rebuild (including forged pistons) and some creative porting, a larger throttle body and custom cam and you could probably use the stock induction system. Just think, you could even use a 5-speed tranny, since 2WD 300, 5-speed trucks are a dime a dozen.

You'd end up with a turbine smooth, near bulletproof, 300+ horsepower, ungodly torquey monster for not much more $$ than a similarly built 5.0, but it would be way more unique. I want to do this in a big way!

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #41 – April 06, 2005, 08:27:15 PM

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ROCKER ARMS
You can use roller rocker arms from the 5.0 V8--they'll work, and sometimes can be bought in sets of 12 instead of 16. Since the stock ratio is 1.6 you should use this ratio in roller rockers as well.

http://www.harlandsharp.com/bolton3.htm

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3.8 Liter V6 Ford
PART # RATIO APPLICATION
S4018 1.8:1 3/8 Bolt 3.8 V6 Ford
S4018A 1.8:1 3/8 Bolt 3.8 V6 Ford adjustable

S4173 1.73:1 3/8 Bolt 3.8 V6 Ford
S4173A 1.73:1 3/8 Bolt 3.8 V6 Ford adjustable
Includes pedestals & bolts
Bolt-On application
Utilize a roller valvetrain without the hassle of machine work
Part # S4018 increases ratio for more performance
* 1.73:1 stock ratio

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #42 – April 06, 2005, 08:38:03 PM

i heard that most v-6's have 1.6 rocker arms, I dont really know though. If you do get a super for a jeep, you might want to go with lower ratio because of the boost.

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #43 – April 06, 2005, 10:34:05 PM

By all means, "steal it out from under me".. heh. I'm not looking to be unique, just unusual. I mean, it's not like we're fighting over the last 300 on the planet or anything. :p

BTW, I'm not doubting the rocker thing. 1.6, 1.73, I don't know either way so I can't say anything about it. All I'm thinking is that, if it really IS 1.73, someone might wanna mention it to Eric as a possible correction. I'm mainly concerned with the site being accurate.

Re: EFI 300 I6 plus forced induction (long post)

Reply #44 – April 06, 2005, 11:25:59 PM

Quote from: Thunder Chicken

Like I said, I knew a guy with a 300 in an '82 Capri/Mustang ization, and I know he was too stupid to build a custom crossmember. It fit in the car with the stock hood... well, it was a stock Capri hood on a Mustang (which, as it turned out, made it about 3" too long owing to the Capri's upright grille versus the '82 Mustang's laid back grille).

I forgot to address this earlier. It's not that I think I absolutely would NEED a custom K-member. It's that I'd like to A) be able to get a tubular K-member if possible, and B) have the option open of getting a little extra hood clearance in the process.

Awww, I had five stars for the first time on a thread, and it's already sinking. :p