I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #30 – January 26, 2008, 09:09:10 PM most anyone with over 300rwhp should be near or making 400 at the crank. you tellin me only a few guys have +300rwhp 2.3Ts? i think someone is a lil bitter.... Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #31 – January 26, 2008, 09:17:45 PM 300rwhp through a T5 is not 400HP flywheel. There is a HUGE difference in between the "300HP" 2.3T's (that can still run stock LA3's, VAM's, and all that jazz) and REAL 400HP+ 2.3T's (that are all on aftermarket fuel controllers with massive turbos). Yes, there are real 400HP ones, yes they run like scalded dogs, no, not a one of them is a real street car. I'm not bitter, I'm rather disappointed at the 2.3T dying off, but don't spray left-field propaganda here. If there really are street RELIABLE 400HP+ 2.3T's then prove it. I mean ET#'s and mileage logs. You can't, because there aren't any that haven't lunched themselves three times before making 10,000 miles in a year.Look, just show facts. It's a dead production engine and the question was posed as to whether it's still worth staying with a 2.3 or moving on to a 5.0/4.6/5.4/351/LS1/whatever. I'm maintaining that a swap is the right move, simply because a high-horsepower, reliable, daily-driver reliable 2.3T cannot be done at any price, let alone on the cheap. Oh, and don't even try to bring up the Huber's. What they did at Drag Week was awesome and all, but they're one-of-less-then-50 unubtanium block cost more then every car I've owned combined. Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #32 – January 26, 2008, 09:20:11 PM Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;200112300rwhp through a T5 is not 400HP flywheel.i didnt say it was. Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #33 – January 26, 2008, 09:24:51 PM Aerobird, I'm going to have to disagree with you.I probably have the most abused 2.3 Turbo engine in my car. It had 130K on it when the previous owner put it in the gray car. He beat the living shiznit out of that car. He even told me how he was bounce the rev limiter in 4th gear, dump the clutch, race it around everywhere, and even told me to do some donuts when I test drove it. He put a good 30K on it. Fast forward to me. I downright beat the out of that car. Went through 3 turbos, a clutch, one head gasket (my fault), 2 fuel pumps, a TFI/PIP, a power steering pump, while making 22-25psi of boost, and driving it daily. Well, I got my black 88. Within a few weeks, the engine lost oil pressure and seized up. I yank the engine from the gray car, put it in the black car, and I'm back to square one. A lot of mileage, a lot of abuse, some detonation, and not a single drivability issue.As for the 400 horsepower 2.3T comment, I also disagree with you. While you may know of a dozen on the internet, there are a lot more people with 2.3 Turbos running down in the 10's than what you would think. Just because its not on the internet does not mean it doesn't exist Also, 400 horsepower isn't exactly difficult to reach, you just have to know what you're doing. Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #34 – January 26, 2008, 09:33:07 PM Boy this is fixin to get ugly... Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #35 – January 26, 2008, 09:48:20 PM muhaha...... ..... notice nobody has said anything about the sound of them?..... Quote from: Dogcharmer;200086Ah, the good ole 2.3 vs 5.0 argument. I've had both and prefer the 5.0 engine myself only because it makes more torque down low and is much cheaper to modify (also it's much easier to work on imo). However I have to agree with Chuck in that the 2.3 is a much stouter block than the 5.0. I could run 17 PSI boost through my 2.3 all day long with no problems. Try doing that with a 5.0 block.Granted 17 psi on the 2.3 was only making around 210 HP...17psi, and you just barely got past the STOCK power of a 5.0L.... add 14 psi (VERY streetable and reliable) to a 5.0L and you double that number... Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #36 – January 26, 2008, 09:57:24 PM Quote from: 1WLD BRD;20012717psi, and you just barely got past the STOCK power of a 5.0L.... Exactly:rollin: Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #37 – January 26, 2008, 10:33:58 PM Well i gotta get in on this one.Now having owned both engines in my TC and having a few light mods done to my 2.3L(when i had it) with the boost at 17psi, i gotta say 5.0L wins hands down.This about the stock 302 block(which actually displaces 299cid in stock form) being weak is just that .Consider this, a stock 5.0L block is riddled with holes in between it's two 2.5L halves pulling each other apart at 6000rpm.You've got 16 lifter bores,a long front to back camshaft bore, oil galleries and oil drainback holes in a V style block.The 2.3L has the same but is however not a V-style block but instead an inline 4.If you where to take that inline 4 and make it a v-block(2cyl per side) with all the same holes i bet it wouldn't even handle the stock power let alone mods.Now as for the 4.6L handling 700+hp on the stock block well of course it will, it has no holes in the center of the block(no cam bore,no lifter bores,and no oil drainback holes) therefore it is much stronger with it's 2.3L's per side pulling in either directing to 7000rpm.I run 14psi through my modded 500hp 5.0L all day long and the only problem i've had in 8000km's is a leaky water pump gasket.Had this have been a 500hp 2.3L I never would have made it around the block let alone 8000km's on any of the stock components.2.3L's with that kind of power don't live long and are track cars only, not to mention you would probably spend twice as much money and time getting that kind of power from the 2.3L opposed to the 5.0L.Don't get me wrong i'm not a 2.3L hater, i love the 2.3L and would like to have another in almost stock form(sans 18psi) to play around with as a NON daily driven car.Basically it all comes down to:"There's no replacement for displacement".Not that i would let anyone drive my car(many have tried non have ever driven) but no 2.3L with the same kind of power as my 5.0L will ever have as much low end torque as my v8 Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #38 – January 26, 2008, 10:35:50 PM Quote from: 1WLD BRD;200127muhaha...... ..... notice nobody has said anything about the sound of them?..... 17psi, and you just barely got past the STOCK power of a 5.0L.... add 14 psi (VERY streetable and reliable) to a 5.0L and you double that number...Keep in mind, 15psi is stock, 2 psi to gain another 20 horsepower. Add 2psi to a 5.0, and you probably wouldn't notice dick. Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #39 – January 26, 2008, 10:48:16 PM Quote from: dominator;200138This about the stock 302 block(which actually displaces 299cid in stock form) being weak is just that .:shakehead Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #40 – January 26, 2008, 10:49:05 PM UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 3psi in a 5.0L is eqivilent to 30-40hp in a 5.0l(approx 12hp per psi in a 5.0L as opposed to 6psi per hp in your 2.3L)might wanna do some research before ya post!I love a good ol grudge math muhahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!Yes sleeper exactly what i was getting at,holes in the block resulting in less strength,still impressive at 500hp with all those holes man. Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #41 – January 26, 2008, 11:02:10 PM Well, first off I dont plan on and never intended for this to be a daily driver. I just wanted to keep the "Stock" 4 cylinder in the car because thats what it came with. I also wanted to have FUN when it would run respectable alongside or even pass the average V8 car that is on the street. With that being said, This thing is just g me off...that doesnt mean i am quitting it. This is my first 2.3 Turbo car ever, and I have owned over 50 cars so far, most of which where v8 Mustangs and Camaro's. Basically I never had these kinds of issues with any of those like I am having with this car. So really I dont care about the comparison of the 5.0 vs 2.3, they are 2 differant animals each of which has there own personality.I will surely be complaining about my 96 4.6 GT sooner or later too.Christ, I cant even stand my Nissan Titan anymore and I have had it since it was new. thing cant stop making me burn off those expensive tires all the time. Stupid 305 hp 5.6 liter !!! Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #42 – January 26, 2008, 11:05:03 PM Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;200149:shakehead You ain't trying hard enough... :hick: Why have one when you can have two...It's a never ending argument, but for a daily driver in MY opinion a 350-400Hp 2.3T is NOT practical... Yes you hear stories about so & so's and such & such's running big numbers, but I'm yet to see one that wasn't basically a stripped out race car... I'll keep my FAT girl with all her power options, and cruse in comfort with the AC and tunes blasting... Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #43 – January 26, 2008, 11:13:43 PM Assuming you are correct about the boost levels, only ASSuming, how much power would your source of forced induction suck up before you feel the benefit of boost? If you can tell me that bolting on a supercharger or a turbo, and creating 3psi is 100% free 30-40 horsepower, and you can prove it, I'll pat you on the back or something, maybe send you a cookie. The bottom line is, any "addition" to the engine is going to suck up power before you create it, you're going to lose power, then use boost to make up for it, and then some. I also want to know how a 400-500 horsepower 2.3L is not streetable? It's exactly like saying an 800 horsepower nitrous engine is not streetable. If you build the car right, it's very easy. A ported, big valve head is streetable, correct? A header is streetable, correct? A gutted/knifed intake with larger throttle body is streetable, correct? A large turbo is streetable, correct? A proper turbo cam is streetable, correct? Methanol injection is streetable, correct?If you use your head, and avoid a cam like the A237, which isnt even a truly turbo friendly cam to begin with, you wont have any streetability issues. So explain to me why yours wasn't streetable, just couldn't drive it properly to get it into the torque bang? Quote Selected
I really HATE the 2.3 !! Reply #44 – January 26, 2008, 11:19:41 PM i like both motors they both have potentialwhy be mucking up this mans thread with the age old discussion of der 8 is bettah then 4! its 2008 who cares most of us are free white and over 18.act like it. Quote Selected
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