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Reply #30
Those heads are more expensive then a complete LS1, which outflows those heads. See why I have problems with the mod series?

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Reply #31
Those are aftermarket heads....I have no clue how much a set of stockers would run for...Aftermarket LS1 heads are pricey too.;)

Ooh here:  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-Mustang-GT-4-6L-Engine-5-Spd-AutoTrans-248-MILES_W0QQitemZ300192370944QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300192370944

$3850 for motor and trans. under Buy It Now

 
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This drop out includes motor, transmission, all engine accessories, engine harness, mass air flow sensor, engine computer, and pedals. With the Tremec TR-3650 5-speed auto transmission, this is one of the lowest priced, and most sought after muscle car packages available. This package has only 248 actual miles on it (title available for buyer to see). 


Didn't know the 3650 trans was an auto :hick:


Another one:  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/07-Ford-Mustang-GT-4-6L-V8-SOHC-Engine-w-transmission_W0QQitemZ120213325762QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120213325762
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Reply #32
True on the aftermarket price issue.

So, uh, going to upgrade your heads anytime soon? I'm in the market (I think?) for stock 3V heads/intake.... :D

I've yet to do any mods beyond the cat-back and drop-in. They say porting the TB and elbow is worth 5-8rwhp and helps throttle response so I may try that (it is free).

The whole 03-05 MAF/ZIP/tune sounds good for 10-15 bhp too (plus then I could get a tuner and save a file for E85).

Ahhh who am I kidding, $200 buys a 100 shot and that's all I really need :hick:

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Reply #33
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So, uh, going to upgrade your heads anytime soon? I'm in the market (I think?) for stock 3V heads/intake....


Computer tune (+50 HP @ wheels! w/ 93 octane +60 w/ 100 octane!!!) first (this week).  Driveshaft next then gears.  If the first 2 digits on the slip aren't 11 after that then we'll see what happens...;)

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They say porting the TB and elbow is worth 5-8rwhp and helps throttle response so I may try that (it is free).


On a 2v?  I'd go Accufab 75 mm TB & upper plenum.  Adjustable cam gears, 3.73's and a dyno tune for a relatively inexpensive speed upgrade.  Guys are finding 20-30 Hp when adjusting the cam timing...especially on the non-Mustang variants.
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--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

 

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Reply #34
Quote from: V8Demon;199276
http://www.blowbyracing.com/bbr-3v-heads.html

Dig the stock flow #'s....They outflow the stage II 2V heads from Patriot performance on the intake intake side!


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Reply #35
Quote from: V8Demon;199287
On a 2v?  I'd go Accufab 75 mm TB & upper plenum.  Adjustable cam gears, 3.73's and a dyno tune for a relatively inexpensive speed upgrade.  Guys are finding 20-30 Hp when adjusting the cam timing...especially on the non-Mustang variants.

CV elbows point to the drivers side, not the passenger. So none of the bolt-on stuff there works. I'm pretty much stuck with porting unless a 3V swap happens (since 3V stuff points to the drivers side).

The P71 already comes with 3.55's so 3.73's shouldn't help that much :(

I've read about the cam timing thing, sounds like a good before-and-after project for the summer when the track is open.

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Reply #36
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The P71 already comes with 3.55's so 3.73's shouldn't help that much


Since when?  Ours are all 3.27's....
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--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #37
Really? I dunno I'm still trying to figure this bloody thing out. The CVN guys say 3.27 or 3.55's depending on year/P-code and the chart showed 3.55 under 01 P71. Is there an axle code I can check like on the Birds? None of my jacks are big enough to lift the whole ass end! :hick:

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Reply #38
OK,

    A few years ago, right after I built my 88 XR7, I purchased a 1996 MN-12 with the 4.6L as a daily. I loved the car for about 3 months, then couldn't stand it. It was a beautiful car, black with tan leather, and probably always will be the most reliable car that I've ever owned up to the day that it was sold with 186,000 miles on it. But after the "newness" wore off, the car just didn't excite me like the fox did even though it was significantly quicker than a stock fox and extremely comfortable. I then purchased another 88 XR7 to ultimately replace the MN-12 after only having it for four months. However, after the 5.0 did what they all do after 100,000 miles and started to eat the mains, it became very clear to me why I needed to keep the MN-12. Our cars are just getting old. A few years later I stepped up to my first Mark VIII, thought it was the greatest two door four seater ever created, that was until I got my first spin in a 2004 (they had just come out) pontiac GTO 6 spd. The mark was promply sold after that. All of this time of course, I still owned my cougar which was in non-running condition. After the pontiac "departed" I went back to another mark, which I then sold when my friend offered me a fantastic deal on a 1996 Impala SS which is my current daily now. What is the point of all of this?
I came to realize that the longer I stayed out of my cougar (the more different cars I drove), I was having less and less of the desire I had before to fix it up again. My love affair with the car still exists today, but with a different spin. We try to make our cars into the best of all worlds, sporty, sophiticated classy 2 door sedan, but they really don't have to be. I as I'm sure all of you here fell in love with my car when it was 100% stock. Sure I had fun building it up, and I had fun tearing it down and rebuilding it everytime something broke on it, but I really can't say that I got much more satisfaction out of it whether or not it had 155hp or 355hp, I just loved to be in it. I would much rather just go out and get a car that was meant to be abused rather than do so with my cat.

    About 3 months ago, a very inconsiderate person backed into my SS's rear 1/4 panel while I was inside of a mall. I guess I shouldn't be too shocked, being that the car is what it is, but I'm not used to hearing this from a regular body shop when assessing a 12 year old car. The quote to re-do the driver's side rear 1/4 with all associated labor, paint, emblems and moldings was only $500.00. Why? because all of the above listed parts (as well as every other misc part for those cars) are showing as NEW and AVAILABLE from GM still, even after twelve years . . . Maybe that's a reason why those cars used in prime condition are valued for as much today as they were when they were brand new (please no comments about inflation adjustments, we're talking raw sticker price here). 1998 mark 8 owners cannot even replace those HID bulbs after less than 10 years. So I could pretty much drive this thing around like it's still in production and not have to worry about scowering through junkyards to find a car that doesn't have yellowed headlights if one of them gets chipped up. If that old LT1 decides to throw a rod? No problem! never mind how many LT1's there are around that can be found used, or vast amount of aftermarket 350's there are to chose from, I could easily just drop in an LSX engine and install a pre-made wiring harness and be good to go (being that they all use the standard SBC engine mount locations and bellbousing patterns). So what am I getting at? I think our cars should be geared more towards preservation now than anything else. I'm definetly not saying don't mod the hell out of your fox, but the more we mod them, the harder we drive them and the more we break them, more difficult it is to fix them afterwards as the years go on, and as far as it seems, the vast majority of the auto enthisiast world won't care if we could ever fix them again. My next fox is more than likely going to be a stocker, if I can luck out and find a nice clean one, or roll up the sleeves and try to find one to restore to originality (that'll be a project), but it's as Eric said numerous times, "some people are more than happy to just turn the key", just never though that would end up being me though . .
Duckin' agents like we was trapped in da matrix!

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Reply #39
Yeah, you've gotta like the ability to buy new parts for your cars. These things are getting so that one feels guilty driving them, knowing that should anything happen you're pretty much fvcked when it comes to replacement parts.

I hate Ford for that - they completely abandon cars when they're not even ten years old. They don't give a rat's ass about enthusiasts (as is obvious by their really shiznitty product lineup and their tendency to sue anybody that sets up a Mustang fan site). They care about selling an appliance to somebody looking to buy an appliance, and that's it. Once the car's out of warranty, to hell with it.
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Reply #40
Quote from: V8Demon;199310
Since when?  Ours are all 3.27's....


Supposedly the '00 P71 I was looking at with the bad rear had a 3.55...

BTW my buddy did go ahead and buy that car for $1350(told him I'd go $1100)... When he got it, said the rear had only a slight noise, doesn't think anyone will notice(he's a dealer)...

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Reply #41
why cry about it? most of us arent looking to build more than 400 hp and shiznite, pick your poison. you can do it with just about anyhting out there. i LOVE my 4 valve. hadnt the stang come along the bird would have been comleted by now. i regret that very, very much. at this point i would without a doubt rather my drivetrain in the tbird over the stang. i still love the mustang dont get me wrong. i just realy miss the tbird. anyway, it scoots. put a P1 on it with a tune and im done. 430 RWHP that is very streetable. i belive the modulars are much more street friendly than the 5.0 cars. as far as not high reving, i dont know what you guys been smoling but my 4 valve pulls into the 7k range. it makes my skin crawl but it does. also, theres no need for it. it sounds decent. the 4 valves sound a little "muddy" but im happy. i dunno, i couldnt car less who puts what in ther cars. if i saw an ls1 lt1 or whatever powerd turbo coupe id give it the nod. id also puke in my mouth a litte bit. just not for me. i want interested in a 5.0 car cause everybody had them and the 4 valve wouldnt have been all that hard to do. 300+ hp would have doubled the original output of the car. opening the hood and seeing that gorgeous 4 valve filling the engine bay would in my opinion make a more of an impression than any 5.0 to each his own.
 
from what i remember the term modular came from the tooling, not the engines themselves. i agree, ford could have done alot of thing different or better. doesnt matter much at this point as ford pretty much licks grundle. GM is just burrying them with their line of cars. would i ever own a GTO. very likely not. id rather my slower older mustang than an overgrown grand am. sure they are sick, just not my cup of tea. i hate arguing over who made what better, whos car is better and why everybody else sucks. a cool car is a cool car. HP is HP. what differance does it make. not sure what my ramble contributes but i feel better now...
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Reply #42
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i dont know what you guys been smoling but my 4 valve pulls into the 7k range.


2V Crown Vic =5800 RPM redine.....My Cougar tops that right now.

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i belive the modulars are much more street friendly than the 5.0 cars.


Agreed.  The 5.0 has a very present soul though.  I feel it every time I drive the car.
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!

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Reply #43
2V man, 2V! The 3V's are finally getting some OK #'s, but you have to imagine that even the 94 LT1's were 300HP. So as usual Ford is a decade late and 100HP short (LS2 GTO = 400HP). *sigh*

You know Carm, they don't even care about you during the warranty any more. How many 4.6 owners have been left high-and-dry with blown out plugs? How many fires did that stupid cruise switch start (INCLUDING the one in my 92 SHO that caught fire). It saddens me. :(

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Reply #44
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94 LT1's were 300HP


Factory Power Ratings
92-96 LT1 Corvette: 300bhp, 330lb-ft
1996 LT4 Corvette: 330bhp, 340lb-ft
1992 LT5 Corvette: 375bhp, 370lb-ft
93-95 LT5 Corvette: 405bhp, 385lb-ft
93-95 LT1 F-Body: 275bhp, 325lb-ft
96-97 LT1 F-Body: 285bhp, 325lb-ft
96-97 WS6/SS: 305bhp, 335lb-ft
93-97 Firehawks: 315bhp, 340lb-ft

Find me one that can last as long as a 2V without blowby.;)
-- 05 Mustang GT-Whipplecharged !!
--87 5.0 Trick Flow Heads & Intake - Custom Cam - Many other goodies...3100Lbs...Low12's!