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Another (Un)Timely Ford Decision

Reply #15 –
Quote from: xjeffs;196662
I personally don't know why Onstar is still around.  The renewal rate after it expires on new vehicles is under 5%.  Which means that GM is paying for all the subscriptions.

You mean under 50%?

Another (Un)Timely Ford Decision

Reply #16 –
Onstar can't be renewed after a few years.  They simply move on to bigger and better versions leaving the older versions in the dark.  Some vehicles can be upgraded (at the owners expense) but these are usually vehicles that have recently been put on the list of "your hardware is too old".
One 88

Another (Un)Timely Ford Decision

Reply #17 –
Quote from: CougarSE;196699
Onstar can't be renewed after a few years. 
All OnStar vehicles older than 2003 no longer have service because the buttstuffog cell phone spectrum is about to be kaput. Some newer cars require an upgrade to continue using OnStar.

Another (Un)Timely Ford Decision

Reply #18 –
Quote from: JeremyB;196690
You mean under 50%?

I stand corrected  GM traditionally claimes 40-60% but Ward's auto says it's closer to 20%.

Another (Un)Timely Ford Decision

Reply #19 –
Yep, my parents' 2002 Cadillac Eldorado ETC will be in the dark very soon here. OnStar was one of the reasons they even got the car in the first place a few years ago. Now they've got about 50 lbs. of useless telematic junk in the car. Supposedly their system isn't able to be upgraded. Thanks, GM, for your brilliant foresight.

Another (Un)Timely Ford Decision

Reply #20 –
bingo
One 88

Another (Un)Timely Ford Decision

Reply #21 –
I don't like all that electronics in a car to many "shorts" can occur and it is a PIA to track em down in a simple vehicle, can't imagine what it would be like for one of the new cars... I would shoot myself if I was a technician and had to diagnose a short in a new car!!!
1987 Cougar XR7 5.0 SOLD
1992 Ranger 4.0
2018 Hyundai Elantra
2019 Ram Rebel

Another (Un)Timely Ford Decision

Reply #22 –
Quote from: xr7cat;197155
I don't like all that electronics in a car to many "shorts" can occur and it is a PIA to track em down in a simple vehicle, can't imagine what it would be like for one of the new cars... I would shoot myself if I was a technician and had to diagnose a short in a new car!!!


I do agree, except there have been huge improvements to harness and module design that have reduced these issues by 99%.  That's why reliability is up considerably compared to the 80's and early 90's.  Also diagnostic tools allow you to see what the ECM sees and when a sensor reads poorly you only have to buttstuffyze that circuit.  ECMs can also diagnose open of shorts in injectors or coils, too.