Primer Color?

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Primer Color?

October 26, 2007, 07:25:01 PM

This has been on my mind... Kind of bugging me...

My car is factory color 1Y (Dark Charcoal Metallic)

Mine:

And i acquired the car with a "damaged paint job", That really does look like , And i would rather have a solid primer color than how it looks now~Until i can get it painted.
The car has random squares, triangles and various shapes of light grey primer on random areas all over the car...
At first i thought this was to hide rust... But this car has barely any rust problems, let alone in the areas that are primed.... And theres even primered squares on the plastic lower bumper covers.

So im kind of clueless as to why these primered spots are there now, All i know is it looks like ~And has ruined the original paint job.

So at some point here i will be sanding it down, Pulling dents, Hammering out the passenger rear wheel well and prepping it.

I will be sticking with the factory color~Or close to it at least.
I might spice it up with a little more metal flake or something, But that's in the future.
Right now i need to know which color primer would make it "pop" the most and just plain look the best as a primer basecoat and such for the Dark Charcoal Metallic Color.

I don't want to put on black primer or something and end up regretting it after it's painted...

Primer Color?

Reply #1 – October 26, 2007, 07:30:05 PM

Hey there nice color choice. That is the same color that I've got. Any how you need to head over to a paint store. I know with a Dupont base coat clear coat.They have a value shade. That tells you what color primer to use under the paint. They mix the primer to the value shade number you need. That will make sure you have it right. Hope that helps you out.

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Reply #2 – October 27, 2007, 01:24:19 AM

Thanks, is that a red'ish TC hood you have on your car? Lol i have the same color TC hood waiting to be put on mine. :hick:

Anyway, I'm looking for primer shade sheets online and cant find any... thats a first...

Basicly im just concerned how the primer color i use will tint the final paint job (which isnt planned any time in the near future).
And even if after finding out the "correct color" if maybe a different one would make the color stand out more than factory.

I may just need to get some dark charcoal paint (or close ot it in a rattle can) and test with various primer colors on s metal...

I really dunno.

I have a strong feeling that factory base was black though.
And i also noticed something when searching for "Dark Charcoal Metallic" paints~They seem to still be using the color or were, However all the examples of the color appear to have a grey/ashy tint to them, Where our foxes have a blue tint to them.
What's the deal with this? Some kind of fading? Or did ford screw up on there documentation or something?
Heres the color examples i'm finding of "Dark Charcoal Metallic"

The blue in the color is one of the things i really liked about it though.

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Reply #3 – October 27, 2007, 08:36:10 AM

You can't rely on the name of the color. You need to go by the paint code and year. That will narrow it down. In the paint computer at work if I tell it Ford code 1Y it gives me 2 choices. Then once I tell it 84 it gives me only one choice. Then also if you use the Dupont paint it will also tell you the value shade for the primer. I made a touch up bottle of the 1Y paint for my car. Almost a perfect match the touch up was darker than the paint on the car. But with it being an 84 it had to of fadded.

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Reply #4 – October 27, 2007, 09:55:42 AM

You won't be painting directly over the primer anyway, at least you shouldn't. You will be applying a seal coat over the primer and that's the one you have to choose the color once you have decided your actual final color. With going with the Dupont primer, that will be a great choice. It's a catalyized primer and won't let moisture through it like a laquer based primer will.

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Reply #5 – October 27, 2007, 09:02:16 PM

Ok, thanks alot guys! I'm very new to painting metals.
Would it be ok if i just primered the car and did not immediatly apply the seal coat? Or would that be a bad idea?

I think it might work better for me if i waited to do the seal coat when i do the actual paint job, Even if i have to do some more prep/sanding work because of dirt and such at that time.

And ipsd~Do you have a picture of the 1Y you had mixed up? Would love to see how it looks fresh and unfaded.

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Reply #6 – October 28, 2007, 12:40:09 AM

The stuff that I mixed up is a brush on touch up so pics won't do any good. Working on body work for the bird along with the interior. I sticking with the 1Y color. I could scan the paint chip sheet at work. The chips looks awesome. The shine the depth the unfaded color. I would think you would want the seal coat to seal out the moisture. Then you can sand and reseal it before paint. Most non seal primers let the moisture thru. That won't stop it from rusting. Also I was playing with the paint computer at work on the Primer color. The way they come up with the right color primer is they make the color into a gray format like a black and white pic. Then the shade of gray that your color is in that format is the color primer you need. The dupont system only has 5 colors. They are all different shades of gray.

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Reply #7 – October 28, 2007, 05:13:17 AM

That would be cool, And thanks for the info. :hick:

So then if i use a good primer that keeps moisture out, Would i be fine with not having a seal coat on top of it?
Trying to keep it to 1 layer for now, But not at the cost of damage...

Epoxy Primer looks to be very tough stuff...

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Reply #8 – October 28, 2007, 08:01:12 AM

Epoxy primer like Euro prime or K2 epoxy primer will not let moisture thru. The old style laquer primer is like a sponge though. Yes, you can seal it also, but that's an extra step you don't need to do yet.
As a side note just to let you know. I've worked in a body shop and then on my own with a friend in his shop for over 21 years now in the the Northwest where it rains 51 weeks out of 52 :hick:. Although I don't live in Wa state or currently work in a shop, I still do body/paint on my own.

John

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Reply #9 – October 28, 2007, 10:42:38 AM

Use the color primer closest to your final paint color.

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Reply #10 – October 29, 2007, 01:27:53 AM

Great!
Sounds good, And yea.. The weather/moisture up here is horrid so i wanted to make sure i was putting the right style primer as well as color on.

I need to buy a new compressor

, And go down to a paint store and check out what brands they carry as well as color choices under epoxy primer.

**Argh, Need a little bit of help with shopping for an Air Compressor now...
I've only ever used small ones, So im very unsure of what requirements are needed for body work, I heard i may even need a 30gal tank minimum?!
I'll only be doing panels and primer work really, I just dont have a ton of money to throw around is the major problem i guess.

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Reply #11 – October 29, 2007, 09:53:25 AM

One of the biggest air users is the DA sander, 14 cfm @90 psi, it uses alot of air. You can get away with something close to that. If you want an inexpensive compressor, check out Habor Freight. They have a 29 gal upright that really moves the air for $369. Ya, I know it's Harbor Freight, but they do have a decent warrenty on them. I'm getting one myself.
On another note, look in the little papers ( Nickle Ads, I believe) and look for a good used one that has a large cfm rating. You need that for quicker recovery times. Especialy if you have a friend over to help :D
Hope that helps. Good luck with your project :D and get some pics

John

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Reply #12 – October 29, 2007, 07:33:20 PM

That price makes my wallet want to cry...

Isn't there something in the $200 range that would work well?
Whats the minimum gal/cfm i should get for spraying epoxy primer and/or sanding?

Yea, I was going to check out Harbour Freight, Bit of along drive but it's usually worth it.

**I found a listing for a "1/2 hsp electric motor bulky" air compressor in my city for free! I've e-mailed for details. *Bites Fingernails*

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Reply #13 – October 30, 2007, 10:47:32 AM

You should be able to get away with using a slightly smaller compressor. I wouldn't go below a 3hp though. Don't even waste your time with that 1/2hp. It might do ok to inflate bike tires, but not for what you need to do. I have a 3hp oil-less compressor and it's all it can do to keep up with itself, let alone run my da (dual action) sander.
John

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Reply #14 – November 08, 2007, 10:03:53 AM

Well i've been looking around locally for the best compressor in the $200 range, As well as checking classifieds with no success.

And this one has the best specs for the price so far:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90234

Would this work well enough for spray work and maybe some sanding as well? Or is this is product/brand just too overall cheap?

I found out it's going to be on sale for black friday as well, Which peaks my interest even more.
http://bfads.net/Central-Pneumatic-4hp-10-gallon-compressor-at-Harbor-Freight-2006