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Reply #15 – April 05, 2008, 09:56:31 AM

the mids run from about 400-8000hz and the 6's run from 80-5000hz

Isn't this frequency a little too low for your 6's? Please post some pics of the door with and without the door panel if you can. Thanks.

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Reply #16 – April 05, 2008, 12:12:12 PM

Quote from: Carpimp1987;212472

For audio i know a few good things that work for these cars not trying to hijack this thread. But i gotta put all my old stuff out of my 87 T-bird into my 88 Cougar XR7 so i might change a few things next time around.

1. Buy good speakers but AMPs are where most of the money should go.

2. Use some kind of stuff to keep the sound inside of the cars

3. A good working EQ makes everything better

4. 3G alt super nice to have and its good you have it

5. these pics show 2 good ways to get to sound out of the trunk and into the car better.

hijack all you want

anyway

everyone has there opinon on what they think is the right way to hook things up and install and all so how it should sound.

all i can say about what i know and experince is..

i've bin doing this stuff and that means...

1 building drive trains for cars since i was old enough to drive.

2 car audio systems again as long as i was old enough to drive.

3 building home audio systems since back in the day when i was pounching the clown to farrah fawcett :o

now about what you stated..

1 you think the amp's i used are cheap? they where build by Zed audio for us acoustics like a lot of other amp's back in the day.
like alphasonik,hifonics,esx and some others i can't think of off the top of my head.

2 you hear very little audio from my car from the outside of my car when the doors and windows are closed. and just a little audio with the windows open..

3 if you use the right drivers and wire them up right you should'nt have the need for an eq an eq is just an easyer way to ajust the Fq's

and yes i have a 3g alt..

on a few notes stated on this thread..

low bass.. it's not how loud it could be it's about the corect sounding bass.

imaging.. again i'm not running a 2 channel setup. i'm running dolby an dts 5.1 digital..
and your sitting in a room ie car pen 15pit thats about 5ft by 6ft..

try sitting in the middle of a room thats 16ft by 16ft or larger with just two Magnepan/Magneplanar speakers and your listening to roger waters and you hear some people talking in the song. BUT you don't hear them talking in the room you hear them talking in your front yard.. thats! imaging! and was how i was able to sell my old MG1's Magnepan Magneplanar to some one whom thought hugh speakers with hugh drivers where the best.. he was quoted saying what the hell are these peices of junk? i said my friend these peices of junk new where like $2000.00 in 1980 new just listen to them..

and threw the song i stated he poped up and looked in he's front yard.. so i stop the song and said let me guess some people in your front yard? he said yes i said nope it's just in the song..he said no F'n way so i replayed the song where i knew where the people talked
two more time to prove it and he was like WTF! sold!

oh and the guy who bought my speakers sold home and car stereos..

this was like 1994 when i sold those speakers.

i'm not taking any of your comments as an insolt

i'm just stating what i know..

it took till my mid teens to my late teens to understand what music is soposed to sound like..it takes some time to deal with what you thought music is soposed to sound like and understand what it really soposed to sound like..

you should look at my music collection:D from yanni to slip knot;)

trust me over the years the kid comes out in me once in a while and i crank the shiznit out of my system and when i'm done my ears ring..

i hope i did'nt give anyone to much of headake with my rambling..

Nick

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Reply #17 – April 05, 2008, 02:33:23 PM

I bought four of these speakers based on Nick's advice and got them for less than $30 with shipping included.
Save for some basic wiring, they were a direct bolt-in in my '96. They sound great, too.
If you're using them for mids and highs, they should do the job very well for the investment.

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Reply #18 – April 05, 2008, 02:35:24 PM

Hummm
I need some help with this
I like what your doing, I plan on doing a full either POLK, or JBL set up in my mark. I want some intense low bass, but I want some bass coming from my other speakers, not just the subs. Im guessing going with component speakers is my best bet correct?
http://www.polkaudio.com/caraudio/products/speakers/6-1-2/sr6500/
I know they are EXPENSIVE, but I NEVER want to buy another set of speakers, and im HARD on stereos.
(blown 2 subs, 3 floor speakers, 2 sets of bookshelfs in my house system.)

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Reply #19 – April 05, 2008, 09:02:39 PM

Quote from: daboss351;212648

Hummm
I need some help with this
I like what your doing, I plan on doing a full either POLK, or JBL set up in my mark. I want some intense low bass, but I want some bass coming from my other speakers, not just the subs. Im guessing going with component speakers is my best bet correct?
http://www.polkaudio.com/caraudio/products/speakers/6-1-2/sr6500/
I know they are EXPENSIVE, but I NEVER want to buy another set of speakers, and im HARD on stereos.
(blown 2 subs, 3 floor speakers, 2 sets of bookshelfs in my house system.)

psshh. Light weight. I had at least that (minus subs, unless you count home stereo's) by the time I was 12...

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Reply #20 – April 05, 2008, 09:25:03 PM

Should i replace the kenwood deck in my 88 T-bird with a my old pioneer 4900 and buy a 5900 for my Cougar? Since you have been doing this stuff for awhile just thought i might ask.

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Reply #21 – April 05, 2008, 11:24:12 PM

Quote from: daboss351;212648

Hummm
I need some help with this
I like what your doing, I plan on doing a full either POLK, or JBL set up in my mark. I want some intense low bass, but I want some bass coming from my other speakers, not just the subs. Im guessing going with component speakers is my best bet correct?
http://www.polkaudio.com/caraudio/products/speakers/6-1-2/sr6500/
I know they are EXPENSIVE, but I NEVER want to buy another set of speakers, and im HARD on stereos.
(blown 2 subs, 3 floor speakers, 2 sets of bookshelfs in my house system.)

well those speaker are nice sounding for a SQ system..

in my eyes still not worth the money.

rated from 50to250 watts 125 watts continuous..

and 40hz-30khz

not 40hz and @125 watts cranked up.. "FART! SIZZLE! BOOM!

40hz-30khz with 50 watts would sound nice

that speaker @125 watts would only sound good from about 80-90hz to 30khz

but for what you want to use them for they won't work..unless you did what i stated above..

but again to much money..

you can't put enough power threw those speakers to hear them over the loud pounding subs you want to install..

you want drivers that you can beat the SPLEEN out of them and still work afterwards..

besides you don't want to much bass out of the doors for a few reasons.

1 the doors would have to be damped big time for the doors will rattle real bad..
2 you can get bass below 80-90hz in small speakers like 5 1/4's and 6 1/2's they won't sound right and might even fart more then you after a big night of beer drinking and chinese for dinner..

if you want deep bass out of your doors you will have to instill a set of 10's to get that bass and good luck getting those to fit..
theres only 3 1/2" from the face of the sheet metal on the door and the door glass..

if you used good clean amp with the right wattage amp of the speakers you would'nt blow speakers..

the then that blows speakers more then over powering them is distortion
of course if you push 150watts threw a 50watt speaker that will fry it all so in short order if you crank the death out of it..

the trick to making the doors sound good is to make it sound like theres bass coming out of them but not like they are the only thing making bass..

Quote from: kendoo130;212624

the mids run from about 400-8000hz and the 6's run from 80-5000hz

Isn't this frequency a little too low for your 6's? Please post some pics of the door with and without the door panel if you can. Thanks.

ok when i get a chance i will take a door panel off and take some pic's for you..

Quote from: Carpimp1987;212699

Should i replace the kenwood deck in my 88 T-bird with a my old pioneer 4900 and buy a 5900 for my Cougar? Since you have been doing this stuff for awhile just thought i might ask.

is that a real question or a smart a$$ question lol:p

i don't know what options either deck has to answer that question..

i never said i knew everything;)

what options do either deck have?

Nick

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Reply #22 – April 05, 2008, 11:40:08 PM

Quote from: Haystack;212694

psshh. Light weight. I had at least that (minus subs, unless you count home stereo's) by the time I was 12...

only had the stereo set up for about 3 years. First speakers blew the tweeters then the cones exploded. I have some polk floor speakers right now, blew one cone up in one of them. They are THE BEST floors ive ever had.

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Reply #23 – April 05, 2008, 11:43:38 PM

For my $0.02, it all depends on WHAT KIND OF MUSIC YOU LISTEN TO. For instance, I mainly listen to '70's-'00's rock/alternative, which means tight, punchy bass (as opposed to booming bass). So I don't need large-diameter subs so much as cones that are stiff, with high efficiency. So I went with MB Quart Autobahn up front, MB Quart Discus in the rear deck, and one MB Quart 10" sub in the trunk. The Autobahn series has a 6 1/2" (I think) midbass in the doors and titanium tweeter that goes in place of the 3 1/2" in the dash. Titanium tweeters are "bright" in the sense that the highs are really crisp and noticeable (though I have an active crossover that is somewhat the reason for this as well). The Discus are pure rear fill, and the smallish sub is perfect for the music type (but it wouldn't be for something like rap, which makes my ears bleed). I deliberately went with round speakers in the rear deck to maximize sound quality, once again, because of the music type. The sub has its own dedicated amp which takes the load off the other amp for everything else. I went for pure sound quality since the music I listen to covers the entire frequency range (as opposed to the stuff the kiddies listen to today :flip: )

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Reply #24 – April 05, 2008, 11:46:19 PM

Quote from: Blown306Cougar;212724

well those speaker are nice sounding for a SQ system..

in my eyes still not worth the money.

rated from 50to250 watts 125 watts continuous..

and 40hz-30khz

not 40hz and @125 watts cranked up.. "FART! SIZZLE! BOOM!

40hz-30khz with 50 watts would sound nice

that speaker @125 watts would only sound good from about 80-90hz to 30khz

but for what you want to use them for they won't work..unless you did what i stated above..

but again to much money..

you can't put enough power threw those speakers to hear them over the loud pounding subs you want to install..

you want drivers that you can beat the SPLEEN out of them and still work afterwards..

besides you don't want to much bass out of the doors for a few reasons.

1 the doors would have to be damped big time for the doors will rattle real bad..
2 you can get bass below 80-90hz in small speakers like 5 1/4's and 6 1/2's they won't sound right and might even fart more then you after a big night of beer drinking and chinese for dinner..

if you want deep bass out of your doors you will have to instill a set of 10's to get that bass and good luck getting those to fit..
theres only 3 1/2" from the face of the sheet metal on the door and the door glass..

if you used good clean amp with the right wattage amp of the speakers you would'nt blow speakers..

the then that blows speakers more then over powering them is distortion
of course if you push 150watts threw a 50watt speaker that will fry it all so in short order if you crank the death out of it..

the trick to making the doors sound good is to make it sound like theres bass coming out of them but not like they are the only thing making bass..

ok when i get a chance i will take a door panel off and take some pic's for you..

is that a real question or a smart a$$ question lol:p

i don't know what options either deck has to answer that question..

i never said i knew everything;)

what options do either deck have?

Nick

Ok I have 2 spots in my doors for speakers and my factory speaker harness is SHOT, and HACKED, so im gonna wire in everything with amps. I can fit like a 8 inch speaker in the lower hole, and a 6 1/2 up top, in this bracket that pulls the speaker about 2 inchs out ward into the mark 7 door panel. Rear speakers are still there, they are factory JBL units. No idea if they work. I want 2 12in subs, and I want my stereo to sound good, with awesome bass when I want it, and I want to be able to turn it up and down, and have my radio settings of bass have no effect on them if thats possible. I HATED the sony xplods( i know cheapos) 3 ways i put in my bros escort, NO mids and lows, insane highs. I want a nice LOUD balance. Help me out, I am lost as to how to do this.
I listen to everything from 70's rock, to rap. So I want to be able to throw in some rap, and crank the bass, but have awesome mids for my rock.
I will have a 3g soon, so amps will be easy.

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Reply #25 – April 05, 2008, 11:57:25 PM

I'll never use a Sony amp again. I've blown two really good JL Audio subs because of the DC it was putting out, and it always overheated. Now I've got a Phonenix Gold amp driving the sub and a PPI amp driving everything else. The PPI amp is terrific, but it has a downside -- no crossovers. So there's a PPI active crossover taking that over.

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Reply #26 – April 06, 2008, 12:02:39 AM

see I know nothing other then wiring it all in!
Someone help me set up some good subs and a box, amps, and speakers, and a good head unit
py sony one i have is only set up for one amp so its no good

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Reply #27 – April 06, 2008, 12:10:35 AM

Quote from: daboss351;212732

Ok I have 2 spots in my doors for speakers and my factory speaker harness is SHOT, and HACKED, so im gonna wire in everything with amps. I can fit like a 8 inch speaker in the lower hole, and a 6 1/2 up top, in this bracket that pulls the speaker about 2 inchs out ward into the mark 7 door panel. Rear speakers are still there, they are factory JBL units. No idea if they work. I want 2 12in subs, and I want my stereo to sound good, with awesome bass when I want it, and I want to be able to turn it up and down, and have my radio settings of bass have no effect on them if thats possible. I HATED the sony xplods( i know cheapos) 3 ways i put in my bros escort, NO mids and lows, insane highs. I want a nice LOUD balance. Help me out, I am lost as to how to do this.
I listen to everything from 70's rock, to rap. So I want to be able to throw in some rap, and crank the bass, but have awesome mids for my rock.
I will have a 3g soon, so amps will be easy.

i want to see you fit 8's in the door of a mark7 lol

you said you have two holes in the door where? the mark speakers on the top of the doors aposed to the cougars and tbirds are on the bottom.. and up top theres only about 2 1/2" from the metal panel and the door glass

are the doors and the panels allready hacked up? to have two holes

anyway this is where i buy my speakers from

check it out and see what you can get and for what prices..

http://www.partshagpress.com/

driver listings

http://www.partshagpress.com/speakers.cfm

start surffing..

Nick

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Reply #28 – April 06, 2008, 12:12:37 AM

theres a hole up top were the speaker mount is attached, and a lower hole they are close together
I got the panel off ill go snap a pic
Its a decent hole at the bottom, could easily be opened up more.
I have no idea what to get that would sound good.

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Reply #29 – April 06, 2008, 12:12:38 AM

You could do what I did...seek out experts. I went to an autosound shop that's involved in competitions (and wins a lot of them). Actually, I went on the recommendation of a friend, and I was impressed with the people there--they're really meticulous about getting it "right" from the standpoint of sound quality, though with some of the staff changes over the years I don't know if they still have the expertise they used to. Really doing it right can cost quite a bit, but when you're on a budget (as I was at the beginning) that's where talking to experts really helps -- they will know which are the best compromises to make, and/or which choices leave the best upgrade paths. Sometimes sound quality and upgrade path are mutually exclusive if you're on a budget, so bear that in mind.

You want to be careful picking them out, though. For instance, the people I went to were Gen-X'ers like me and listened to similar music. If you go to someone who only listens to rap, expect to get a system tuned just for that :D