2.3t questions Reply #45 – September 02, 2007, 10:58:56 PM Glad you got it running.These engines can be finicky about the base timing. What's funny is you can swap the #2 and #3 plug wires and the car will start and run (not well, but it will start), but if you get the base timing too retarded,. it won't start at all. Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #46 – September 02, 2007, 11:31:14 PM Well, here is what the intake side looks like after I did the work, new gaskets, cleaned intake and replaced the vacuum lines, all like 4 of them. It may not look any different, but believe me, it does. The other is obviously the manifold gasket blown to hell. The bolts weren't even tight. Little or no effort and they came right loose. Also eliminated the ac as it didn't work anyways. New gasket tomorrow, catalytic converter cut off, and fuel filter. Then all should be good. It starts great and idles really good.(adjusted the TPS). Then we shall see how it runs. Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #47 – September 02, 2007, 11:35:26 PM Here is a before, not the greatest angle, but everything dirty, is now clean.brian Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #48 – September 03, 2007, 12:31:11 AM Quote from: turboranger91;172303it will if you brake boost. my last turbo coupe was an 85 auto and it would NEVER spin the tires. then again, it was bone stock. once you get the power levels up a bit, she'll scoot from a stop. ford limited the boost on the auto cars for the sole purpose of longevity of the a4ld transmission. what they don't tell you is that you can easily put a LOT more power through it without hurting it.... as long as you keep it cool. for anyone with an auto car, i suggest running an efficient tranny cooler. you'll thank me for it, trust me.I broke the A4LD in the '87 4 hours after I got my license by power braking it... which is why turboranger's '87 now has a WC T-5! lol Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #49 – September 04, 2007, 01:56:32 PM OK, so I changed all the intake gaskets and the manifold gasket, and it ran good. Only for a while. The car still has power issues. It will fart and sputter putting any kind of load on it, it still has to be started two or three times when it is cold, and just sit there and let it run until it smooths out. Tonight I am going to change the fuel filter and cut off the catalytic converter. I am oping that is plugged and will fix some of the problems. Is there anything else that can make this car do that? It doesn't smoke out the exhaust, it isn't leaking anywhere under the hood(vacuum, or exhaust). I am starting to get frustrated. Power 50mph and up it runs fine, anything below that and forget it. I am pretty sure that my engine light doesn't work as it is running like . Please help!brian Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #50 – September 04, 2007, 02:30:42 PM There is no CEL on the early cars. The "ENGINE" light is the warning light for the coolant temp and oil pressure.Did you happen to run codes yet? What did you set the base timing to? Did you set it SPOUT out? Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #51 – September 04, 2007, 06:53:33 PM Yeah I had advanced hook up there little high tech gadget up to it and of course, nothing. As for the timing, I marked the distributor before I pulled it so it is in the same spot it was when I pulled it. And, I don't know what spout out means unfortunately. Care to elaborate? Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #52 – September 04, 2007, 08:44:09 PM Well the SPOUT may be the issue with power problem. From the ignition module on the dist, follow the yellow wire out from it and on the 84 it should come to a connector. You need to disconnect that before you set the base timing. If you set the timing with it in, it will be severely retarded.-Pull SPOUT-Start engine-Time with timing light to 10-12* BTDC-Turn off engine-Reconnect SPOUT-Tighten dist hold down bolt Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #53 – September 04, 2007, 10:33:52 PM Ok, Chuck, this is what you have been waiting for.... I went back to advanced and asked if they could hook up the code reader again. Same thing. No Codes, wouldn't even register that it was hooked up. So I read the directions and you have to hook up to the battery to get power from the computer! IDIOTS! So here are the codes it pooped out: Code 12: RPM unable to reach upper test limit Code 25: Knock sensor input out of test range Code 42: No EGO/HEGO switching detected, system rich Code 76: Insufficient VAF output change during testNow, what do I do with this info? Is the air flow thing bad? Bad o2 sensor? I am happy I have something to go off of, but on the other hand, don't want to just replace junk until I get it right. I will check the timing tomorrow and see what it is at. Keep in mind that I am 6000+ feet about sea level. Would it still be the same? I love computers....brian*edit* I see the yellow wire, this should not be a problem. Tomorrow will adjust. Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #54 – September 04, 2007, 11:38:17 PM The O2 sensor is easy. It's probably as old as everything else. Check the air meter door for smooth and free movement. It could be gummed up with and not opening/moving like it should. Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #55 – September 05, 2007, 12:02:08 AM I just was looking at that flap thing and saw that there was oil inside of it and the whose going to the turbo. Is this normal? It isn't alot but it is there. The flap moves pretty freely but I will clean it tomorrow too. Wife is starting to get sick of me being in the garage. I need to hurry this up. Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #56 – September 05, 2007, 01:14:57 PM OK, so on lunch I replaced the o2 sensor, and looked at the timing. Unplugged, it was at 8* atdc. Soooo, I put it at 10* and at an idle it seems like it is running alot smoother. Now do I need to reset the computer or will it do that by itself? I am still going to look at the air flow sensor and see if it is filthy or not, but right now I want to eat before I go back to work.Brian Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #57 – September 05, 2007, 01:22:30 PM You might disconnect the battery tonight. It couldn't hurt.Sounds like the timing was retarded about 18*...that would cause the power issue.... Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #58 – September 05, 2007, 01:40:14 PM Boy I am sorry I didn't check that sooner. I thought because I marked it where it was before I pulled it, I would be fine. Of course, that was under the assumption that it was correct. I will see how it runs on the way back to work. Will post up results.brian Quote Selected
2.3t questions Reply #59 – September 05, 2007, 07:06:59 PM Well, after a tune up, new intake gaskets and cleaning, ADVANCED the timing, new o2 sensor, removing the catalytic converter, and replacing the manifold gasket, THAT CAR REALLY SCOOTS! I would have never guessed so much power could be in a little 4 banger. I am impressed. The car is running absolutely fantastic. I would like to thank everyone who gave advice and helped with this little ordeal. I was beginning to think I bought a piece of shiznit for a little bit there. I really do love that turbo spooling up. Love it.thanks againbrian Quote Selected
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